[scribus] text-flow gets changed by 1.5.8
Andreas Mair
amair.sob at gmail.com
Tue Mar 1 16:22:23 UTC 2022
Hi,
I've a small Scribus file attached, created using v1.5.5 and harfbuzz 2.6.4
(my LinuxMint VirtualBox).
It contains a simple text where the text box's width is just wide enough
for the text (88.100 mm). If I now open this file in Scribus 1.5.7 and
harfbuzz 3.2.0 (my Gentoo system) it can't render the whole text. I have to
increase the text box's width to 88.500 mm to have the complete text shown.
What makes me think now is why an external library can have that effect on
Scribus layouts. Maybe someone can explain that to me?
Best regards,
Andreas
Am Di., 1. März 2022 um 13:22 Uhr schrieb Andreas Mair <amair.sob at gmail.com
>:
> Hi Craig,
>
> I downgraded Scribus from 1.5.8 back to 1.5.7 and the problem is still
> there. So it must be a system library. And yes, harfbuzz also had been
> updated from 3.1.2 to 3.2.0 when I updated Scribus to 1.5.8.
> So I guess it must be a harfbuzz issue. It's not that easy to downgrade
> harfbuzz here so I simply tried my LinuxMint VirtualBox where they have an
> older harfbuzz. The problematic renders correct.
>
> Problem: Scribus 1.5.7 and 1.5.8 with harfbuzz 3.2.0
> NO problem: Scribus 1.5.5 with harfbuzz 2.6.4
>
> No other combination tested yet. What versions that work/don't work do you
> have installed?
>
> In my case I think it has to do with justified text, word tracking (min
> 90/norm 100) and glyph extension (min 92/max 103). Liberation Serif font.
>
> I'll investigate further ...
>
> Best regards,
> Andreas
>
>
> Am Fr., 18. Feb. 2022 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Craig Bradney <
> cbradney at scribus.info>:
>
>> This can be affected by the libraries included in the OS or the build,
>> especially harfbuzz etc. It'd be great to get whatever sample files we can
>> to review.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Craig
>>
>> On 18/02/2022, 12:25, "Andreas Mair" <amair.sob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I think that's what happened here, too. I've started working on a
>> "new"
>> document and noticed that some texts don't fit into the defined text
>> boxes.
>> By "new" I mean that I'll always start with the latest issue of that
>> magazine and change the texts etc.
>>
>> For the latest issue I used 1.5.7, now I'm using 1.5.8. After reading
>> your
>> posting I will try to go back to 1.5.7 and see if everything is fine
>> again,
>> just to exclude used libs (used font didn't change).
>> If it's simply a matter of running 1.5.7 or 1.5.8 I'll try to narrow
>> the
>> problem down.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>>
>>
>> Am Do., 17. Feb. 2022 um 18:38 Uhr schrieb Martin Zaske LINGO <
>> martin.zaske at lingo-benin.org>:
>>
>> > Hi list
>> >
>> > I was getting help recently, while "hacking" a quick calendar with
>> > tab-stops. I opened it a few days later, once more, and made a
>> second
>> > version. My document was made with version 1.5.7.
>> >
>> > This was after I had just installed version 1.5.8 (on Windows 10
>> pro,
>> > 64bit). The layout had changed some, text inside a text-frame had
>> > shifted. Since I had done some hacking (as explained in my last
>> thread)
>> > I blamed myself and quickly re-edited to make things align again.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Today it happened again, but in a "good document", i.e. everything
>> > vanilla, no hacking: We are redesigning our magazine, moving from A3
>> > page size to A4 and making spin-off versions for smart-phone screen
>> > proportions.
>> >
>> > I had started a sample template a few weeks ago. Now I have
>> installed
>> > version 1.5.8 and again, I notice that text in my sample article has
>> > been shifted.
>> >
>> >
>> > I am using nothing fancy, two text-frames (as two columns) next to
>> each
>> > other on each page, with links between the frames. There are photos
>> on
>> > another layer above the texts and I am using the "text flows around
>> > contour line" option. I still have both versions on my machine and I
>> > made two identical copies and open them at the same time: Look
>> > different. Not a font issue, not a Windows issue as far as I can
>> tell.
>> >
>> > After more searching and opening the two identical copies of my file
>> > with swapped Scribus versions I have confirmed the problem. Now
>> after
>> > some searching I can say, it is caused by different
>> "interpretation" of
>> > my main text style by the versions.
>> >
>> > I am using justified text with Fira Sans, Align to Baseline Grid,
>> > Optical Margins both sides, Advanced Settings: Min Space 80%, Glyph
>> > extension Min 95%, Max 105% (do not yell at me, early days) and
>> nothing
>> > fancy in the Character Style tab of my style definition. The text
>> is in
>> > an African language and (automatic) hyphenation is not activated.
>> >
>> > So when I open my document in different versions, somehow my text
>> via
>> > style (alignment) gets rendered a little different than before.
>> This is
>> > affecting only certain lines, maybe one line every ten lines and I
>> > cannot say it is "more dense" in 1.5.8, some paratexts get a little
>> > longer. But the changes are still too much to allow a good
>> work-flow.
>> > And in our office we use Windows and Linux machines and all
>> versions are
>> > 1.5.x but at different stages always.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Now before I spend a lot of time with research: Have other users
>> noticed
>> > that same behaviour?: Text-layout or text-flow changes between
>> versions
>> > 1.5.7 and 1.5.8 in Windows?
>> >
>> > Is this "allowed" behaviour in the 1.5 series? I am aware this is
>> free
>> > software and my mail is not a complaint. I was just under the
>> > impressions (false?) that within one series like 1.5.x files or
>> Scribus
>> > would remain compatible.
>> >
>> >
>> > With any normal small project, I would just quickly fix it and be
>> done.
>> > But since we are preparing an entire re-design, I am now nervous
>> about
>> > this as you can imagine.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Normally I cannot easily share documents because of data protection
>> and
>> > copyrights etc. But since I have only done the very first
>> draft-steps
>> > and I only have used free photos from Pixabay, I could upload
>> somewhere
>> > if anybody would be interested to test.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you for your help and greetings,
>> >
>> > Martin
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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