[scribus] text-flow gets changed by 1.5.8
Andreas Mair
amair.sob at gmail.com
Tue Mar 1 12:22:20 UTC 2022
Hi Craig,
I downgraded Scribus from 1.5.8 back to 1.5.7 and the problem is still
there. So it must be a system library. And yes, harfbuzz also had been
updated from 3.1.2 to 3.2.0 when I updated Scribus to 1.5.8.
So I guess it must be a harfbuzz issue. It's not that easy to downgrade
harfbuzz here so I simply tried my LinuxMint VirtualBox where they have an
older harfbuzz. The problematic renders correct.
Problem: Scribus 1.5.7 and 1.5.8 with harfbuzz 3.2.0
NO problem: Scribus 1.5.5 with harfbuzz 2.6.4
No other combination tested yet. What versions that work/don't work do you
have installed?
In my case I think it has to do with justified text, word tracking (min
90/norm 100) and glyph extension (min 92/max 103). Liberation Serif font.
I'll investigate further ...
Best regards,
Andreas
Am Fr., 18. Feb. 2022 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Craig Bradney <
cbradney at scribus.info>:
> This can be affected by the libraries included in the OS or the build,
> especially harfbuzz etc. It'd be great to get whatever sample files we can
> to review.
>
> Thanks
> Craig
>
> On 18/02/2022, 12:25, "Andreas Mair" <amair.sob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I think that's what happened here, too. I've started working on a "new"
> document and noticed that some texts don't fit into the defined text
> boxes.
> By "new" I mean that I'll always start with the latest issue of that
> magazine and change the texts etc.
>
> For the latest issue I used 1.5.7, now I'm using 1.5.8. After reading
> your
> posting I will try to go back to 1.5.7 and see if everything is fine
> again,
> just to exclude used libs (used font didn't change).
> If it's simply a matter of running 1.5.7 or 1.5.8 I'll try to narrow
> the
> problem down.
>
> Best regards,
> Andreas
>
>
>
> Am Do., 17. Feb. 2022 um 18:38 Uhr schrieb Martin Zaske LINGO <
> martin.zaske at lingo-benin.org>:
>
> > Hi list
> >
> > I was getting help recently, while "hacking" a quick calendar with
> > tab-stops. I opened it a few days later, once more, and made a second
> > version. My document was made with version 1.5.7.
> >
> > This was after I had just installed version 1.5.8 (on Windows 10 pro,
> > 64bit). The layout had changed some, text inside a text-frame had
> > shifted. Since I had done some hacking (as explained in my last
> thread)
> > I blamed myself and quickly re-edited to make things align again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Today it happened again, but in a "good document", i.e. everything
> > vanilla, no hacking: We are redesigning our magazine, moving from A3
> > page size to A4 and making spin-off versions for smart-phone screen
> > proportions.
> >
> > I had started a sample template a few weeks ago. Now I have installed
> > version 1.5.8 and again, I notice that text in my sample article has
> > been shifted.
> >
> >
> > I am using nothing fancy, two text-frames (as two columns) next to
> each
> > other on each page, with links between the frames. There are photos
> on
> > another layer above the texts and I am using the "text flows around
> > contour line" option. I still have both versions on my machine and I
> > made two identical copies and open them at the same time: Look
> > different. Not a font issue, not a Windows issue as far as I can
> tell.
> >
> > After more searching and opening the two identical copies of my file
> > with swapped Scribus versions I have confirmed the problem. Now after
> > some searching I can say, it is caused by different "interpretation"
> of
> > my main text style by the versions.
> >
> > I am using justified text with Fira Sans, Align to Baseline Grid,
> > Optical Margins both sides, Advanced Settings: Min Space 80%, Glyph
> > extension Min 95%, Max 105% (do not yell at me, early days) and
> nothing
> > fancy in the Character Style tab of my style definition. The text is
> in
> > an African language and (automatic) hyphenation is not activated.
> >
> > So when I open my document in different versions, somehow my text via
> > style (alignment) gets rendered a little different than before. This
> is
> > affecting only certain lines, maybe one line every ten lines and I
> > cannot say it is "more dense" in 1.5.8, some paratexts get a little
> > longer. But the changes are still too much to allow a good work-flow.
> > And in our office we use Windows and Linux machines and all versions
> are
> > 1.5.x but at different stages always.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now before I spend a lot of time with research: Have other users
> noticed
> > that same behaviour?: Text-layout or text-flow changes between
> versions
> > 1.5.7 and 1.5.8 in Windows?
> >
> > Is this "allowed" behaviour in the 1.5 series? I am aware this is
> free
> > software and my mail is not a complaint. I was just under the
> > impressions (false?) that within one series like 1.5.x files or
> Scribus
> > would remain compatible.
> >
> >
> > With any normal small project, I would just quickly fix it and be
> done.
> > But since we are preparing an entire re-design, I am now nervous
> about
> > this as you can imagine.
> >
> >
> >
> > Normally I cannot easily share documents because of data protection
> and
> > copyrights etc. But since I have only done the very first draft-steps
> > and I only have used free photos from Pixabay, I could upload
> somewhere
> > if anybody would be interested to test.
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your help and greetings,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > --
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