<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Craig,</div><div><br></div><div>I downgraded Scribus from 1.5.8 back to 1.5.7 and the problem is still there. So it must be a system library. And yes, harfbuzz also had been updated from 3.1.2 to 3.2.0 when I updated Scribus to 1.5.8.</div><div>So I guess it must be a harfbuzz issue. It's not that easy to downgrade harfbuzz here so I simply tried my LinuxMint VirtualBox where they have an older harfbuzz. The problematic renders correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Problem: Scribus 1.5.7 and 1.5.8 with harfbuzz 3.2.0</div><div>NO problem: Scribus 1.5.5 with harfbuzz 2.6.4</div><div><br></div><div>No other combination tested yet. What versions that work/don't work do you have installed?</div><div><br></div><div>In my case I think it has to do with justified text, word tracking (min 90/norm 100) and glyph extension (min 92/max 103). Liberation Serif font.</div><div><br></div><div>I'll investigate further ...</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Andreas<br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Fr., 18. Feb. 2022 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Craig Bradney <<a href="mailto:cbradney@scribus.info">cbradney@scribus.info</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This can be affected by the libraries included in the OS or the build, especially harfbuzz etc. It'd be great to get whatever sample files we can to review. <br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Craig<br>
<br>
On 18/02/2022, 12:25, "Andreas Mair" <<a href="mailto:amair.sob@gmail.com" target="_blank">amair.sob@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Hello!<br>
<br>
I think that's what happened here, too. I've started working on a "new"<br>
document and noticed that some texts don't fit into the defined text boxes.<br>
By "new" I mean that I'll always start with the latest issue of that<br>
magazine and change the texts etc.<br>
<br>
For the latest issue I used 1.5.7, now I'm using 1.5.8. After reading your<br>
posting I will try to go back to 1.5.7 and see if everything is fine again,<br>
just to exclude used libs (used font didn't change).<br>
If it's simply a matter of running 1.5.7 or 1.5.8 I'll try to narrow the<br>
problem down.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Andreas<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am Do., 17. Feb. 2022 um 18:38 Uhr schrieb Martin Zaske LINGO <<br>
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> Hi list<br>
><br>
> I was getting help recently, while "hacking" a quick calendar with<br>
> tab-stops. I opened it a few days later, once more, and made a second<br>
> version. My document was made with version 1.5.7.<br>
><br>
> This was after I had just installed version 1.5.8 (on Windows 10 pro,<br>
> 64bit). The layout had changed some, text inside a text-frame had<br>
> shifted. Since I had done some hacking (as explained in my last thread)<br>
> I blamed myself and quickly re-edited to make things align again.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Today it happened again, but in a "good document", i.e. everything<br>
> vanilla, no hacking: We are redesigning our magazine, moving from A3<br>
> page size to A4 and making spin-off versions for smart-phone screen<br>
> proportions.<br>
><br>
> I had started a sample template a few weeks ago. Now I have installed<br>
> version 1.5.8 and again, I notice that text in my sample article has<br>
> been shifted.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I am using nothing fancy, two text-frames (as two columns) next to each<br>
> other on each page, with links between the frames. There are photos on<br>
> another layer above the texts and I am using the "text flows around<br>
> contour line" option. I still have both versions on my machine and I<br>
> made two identical copies and open them at the same time: Look<br>
> different. Not a font issue, not a Windows issue as far as I can tell.<br>
><br>
> After more searching and opening the two identical copies of my file<br>
> with swapped Scribus versions I have confirmed the problem. Now after<br>
> some searching I can say, it is caused by different "interpretation" of<br>
> my main text style by the versions.<br>
><br>
> I am using justified text with Fira Sans, Align to Baseline Grid,<br>
> Optical Margins both sides, Advanced Settings: Min Space 80%, Glyph<br>
> extension Min 95%, Max 105% (do not yell at me, early days) and nothing<br>
> fancy in the Character Style tab of my style definition. The text is in<br>
> an African language and (automatic) hyphenation is not activated.<br>
><br>
> So when I open my document in different versions, somehow my text via<br>
> style (alignment) gets rendered a little different than before. This is<br>
> affecting only certain lines, maybe one line every ten lines and I<br>
> cannot say it is "more dense" in 1.5.8, some paratexts get a little<br>
> longer. But the changes are still too much to allow a good work-flow.<br>
> And in our office we use Windows and Linux machines and all versions are<br>
> 1.5.x but at different stages always.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Now before I spend a lot of time with research: Have other users noticed<br>
> that same behaviour?: Text-layout or text-flow changes between versions<br>
> 1.5.7 and 1.5.8 in Windows?<br>
><br>
> Is this "allowed" behaviour in the 1.5 series? I am aware this is free<br>
> software and my mail is not a complaint. I was just under the<br>
> impressions (false?) that within one series like 1.5.x files or Scribus<br>
> would remain compatible.<br>
><br>
><br>
> With any normal small project, I would just quickly fix it and be done.<br>
> But since we are preparing an entire re-design, I am now nervous about<br>
> this as you can imagine.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Normally I cannot easily share documents because of data protection and<br>
> copyrights etc. But since I have only done the very first draft-steps<br>
> and I only have used free photos from Pixabay, I could upload somewhere<br>
> if anybody would be interested to test.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you for your help and greetings,<br>
><br>
> Martin<br>
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