[scribus] Akademy invitation

a.l.e ale.comp_06 at xox.ch
Fri Apr 9 21:06:10 CEST 2010

On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:15:23 +0200
Christoph Schäfer <christoph-schaefer at gmx.de> wrote:

> Am Freitag, 9. April 2010 08:46:40 schrieb a.l.e:
> > hi
> >
> > > > > We
> > > > > thought that it would be nice to have a some talks from
> > > > > developers that work on Qt based programs but don't use the
> > > > > KDE framework. We're in particular interested to hear about
> > > > > why Qt is used and why there is no KDE integration.
> > >
> > > 2. Whether KDE 4 is terrible lies in the eye of the beholder/user,
> > > and personally I happen to disagree with you.
> >
> > the distributions i know, don't offer both a version of the
> > software with kdelib dependences and one without it: in my
> > opinion, integrating any software which is not a core tool in the
> > desktop environment is a pain for everybody who happens to have a
> > lightweight system (and doesn't want to install kde).
> >
> > we have more and more half baked solution for gnome, kde, xcfe, qt,
> > kde, and so on which can't be merged because their basically not
> > compatible (i talk about applications for mails, calendars, music
> > playing, web browsing, drawing, managing photos, ...)
> >
> > there may be some good reasons why some applications get
> > implemented in two ways, but it's not healthy when the goal of each
> > frameworks is to exclusively "attract" more and more applications in
> > their "world".
> >
> >
> > so, dear kde folks, what i can suggest to you, is to look for a way
> > to let QT integrate with KDE at runtime (depending on the
> > availability of the kdelibs).
> > or look at the problem the other way around: how can kde (and gnome
> > and xfce, ...) offer its services to scribus without expecting the
> > scribus devs to target your specific desktop environment?
> > i don't know who you have invited to your kde conference, but --
> > imho -- you should be inviting the gnome, gtk, trolltech,
> > enlightenment, xfce folks and find with them how to enhance the kde
> > integration of most of the applications being developed without kde.
> >
> > your invitation to the scribus team looks to me like a lobbying act
> > tending to get scribus to become a kde app. this is something
> > against which a random slackware user will react emotionally...
> > and this is something makes me shake my head.
> I think your choice of words is inappropriate. This is an invitation
> to an Open Source conference. Akademy has earned an excellent
> reputation, and to excoriate such an invitation as a "lobbying act"
> is impolite, to say the least.

they are inviting developers (not the team) to see why scribus is a
qt application but not a kde application.

afaik, the kde community wants scribus to become a kde application and
it's their right to do so.

i don't know how life is in germany, but in the countries i know, such
a way of doing is called lobbying. still, i wonder why you think
that talking about lobbying is impolite: i do much lobbying for free
software (and for scribus), too and i have never felt bad for it!

> Attacking someone because he sends out an invitation is childish, so
> please stop it.

i don't attack anybody and i think i have made some quite positive --
non childish -- propositions.

and i don't think that i
would have posted a mail under this topic if no discussion about kde
had been started by somebody else.
i wish all the free DE good luck and i hope that they get better and
better because they are very important for the people who need them.
but i'm also convinced that it's a bad idea to tie applications like
konqueror, evince, totem, krita, amarok, ... scribus to any single DE.

take care

p.s.: i have re-read my mail and i have some difficulties to find where
are the inappropriate words in the context of a post on a mailing

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