[scribus] Printing as Spread

Gregory Pittman gregp_ky at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 23 19:53:42 UTC 2011

On 07/22/2011 12:56 PM, Louis Desjardins wrote:
> 2011/7/22 Gregory Pittman<gregp_ky at yahoo.com>
>> On 07/22/2011 10:56 AM, Andreas Vox wrote:
>>> Louis Desjardins<louis.desjardins at ..**.>   writes:
>>>   The other thing I would like to find out is the coding effort in time.
>>>> Once we know the coding time required, we will then have to ask ourselves
>>>> what particular coding skills does that imply. Then we could decide
>>>> whether
>>>> it's worth the effort or not considering all the other specific
>>>> requirements
>>>> that are also worth digging.
>>>> The initial question raised in this thread still remains to be answered.
>>> My estimate is it would take me 1-2 days to implement this for PDF export
>>> (no
>>> imposition but just a simple yes/no option resp. the signature size for
>>> booklets)
>>> Output would be a PDF where the page size is the sum of the combined
>>> pages.
>>> Bleed etc. would be clipped where two pages meet.
>>> For PDF export the code is very similar to PDF embedding, so it would be
>>> a good idea to combine it when we finish PDF embedding.
>>> Implementing the same for Postscript would take longer.
>>>   I guess the biggest question I have about this is the utility of this
>> feature, as opposed to making a "regular" PDF and then using Adobe Reader to
>> print in n-up mode.
> n-up is not the issue discussed here. For n-up printing we have enough tools
> and all we need from Scribus is already what it does right, export the pages
> to PDFs. The rest belongs to imposition. However I know that we have been
> discussing a lot about booklet printing but again, this is not what I am
> discussing here.
> Can a commercial printer make use of such an output?
> The answer is yes. This PDF would simply be a combination of elements and as
> such it would be considered a "page" by the printer and by the imposition
> software.
> It's not a prepress tool, it's a design tool. It helps creating pieces that
> are composed of various width pages or panels but in the end that should be
> considered as one page. Think of a book cover with a spine (perfect bind) or
> think about a 3 or 4-panel pamphlet where one panel needs to be narrower
> than the others.
>> I perceive opportunities for confusion on the users' part as far as what is
>> a good sort of PDF to output, or whether they think they have actually
>> created the sort that they thought they did.
> There is actually lots of confusion with the 3-fold and 4-fold layouts and
> we want to avoid that.
> It's a Print/Export Option. You check it if you need it. If the PDF created
> like that is not suitable for a specific usage, then create another one. I
> mean, it cannot be simpler in my view. All it does, really, is create a PDF
> that will be in accordance with the layout.
> I kind of have the feeling of repeating myself and I really don’t know what
> to add to make this explanation clearer!
> Book cover for perfect bind.
> Specs:
> Spine of 0,75 inch
> Size of book 6 x 9 inches
> Size of cover : 2 times 6 + spine = 12,75 inches
> *Regular way to work*
> Size of document : 9 x 12,75
> Layout: One single page
> *Alternative way to work*
> Size of document: various
> Page 1 (back cover) 6 x 9
> Page 2 (spine) 0,75 x 9
> Page 3 (front cover) 6 x 9
> Layout: 3-page spread in the order 1-2-3
> When handling the PDF, you want to give the printer a document of 9 x 12,75,
> same as Regular way to work.
> The advantages of the Alternative way are:
> You can output only page(s) of your choice.
> You can adjust the spine without affecting the other pages
> You can send any element to the proofreader, separately or together, as
> single pages or as a spread.
> You can send any element to the marketing dept. (same as above)
> All that is simple. You do not have to deal with cropping or resizing or
> creating a new document for those various tasks.
> You need the cover page for a catalog, no problem. It's already all cut into
> pieces, it's been created into its various components.
> Same would apply to a pamphlet with any number of panels. You need the cover
> for a catalog? easy! it's a distinct page! Output PDF or any other format
> and send it where it is needed. When you are ready to go to press you output
> 2 pages as PDF, each being a combination of panels, 1-2-3 for one and 4-5-6
> for the other. This final 2-page PDF will be imposed n-up by the printer.
> Is there something else I should add to explain this feature?

Thanks, Louis.

 From what you're saying, I guess this eliminates some extra steps for 
the printer?

It seems this would have to be accompanied by some instructions on usage 
for users to get the most helpful results...


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