[scribus] Wow! Flamewar!

avox avox at arcor.de
Sat Apr 10 13:33:22 CEST 2010

You should go to aKademy and have some lively discussions there ;-)

In fact there are 1 or 2 things from KDElibs we'd like to have in Scribus,
e.g. the KIO way of opening files from a server. IMHO it would be worthwhile
to explore if a better KDE integration makes sense. Of course we would still
need a standalone Qt-Version for non-Linux platforms. That shouldn't be a
big problem, we have several optional dependencies (fontconfig, cairo,
podofo, ...) already.


a.l.e wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:15:23 +0200
> Christoph Schäfer <christoph-schaefer at gmx.de> wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 9. April 2010 08:46:40 schrieb a.l.e:
>> > hi
>> >
>> > > > > We
>> > > > > thought that it would be nice to have a some talks from
>> > > > > developers that work on Qt based programs but don't use the
>> > > > > KDE framework. We're in particular interested to hear about
>> > > > > why Qt is used and why there is no KDE integration.
>> > >
>> > > 2. Whether KDE 4 is terrible lies in the eye of the beholder/user,
>> > > and personally I happen to disagree with you.
>> >
>> > the distributions i know, don't offer both a version of the
>> > software with kdelib dependences and one without it: in my
>> > opinion, integrating any software which is not a core tool in the
>> > desktop environment is a pain for everybody who happens to have a
>> > lightweight system (and doesn't want to install kde).
>> >
>> > we have more and more half baked solution for gnome, kde, xcfe, qt,
>> > kde, and so on which can't be merged because their basically not
>> > compatible (i talk about applications for mails, calendars, music
>> > playing, web browsing, drawing, managing photos, ...)
>> >
>> > there may be some good reasons why some applications get
>> > implemented in two ways, but it's not healthy when the goal of each
>> > frameworks is to exclusively "attract" more and more applications in
>> > their "world".
>> >
>> >
>> > so, dear kde folks, what i can suggest to you, is to look for a way
>> > to let QT integrate with KDE at runtime (depending on the
>> > availability of the kdelibs).
>> > or look at the problem the other way around: how can kde (and gnome
>> > and xfce, ...) offer its services to scribus without expecting the
>> > scribus devs to target your specific desktop environment?
>> > i don't know who you have invited to your kde conference, but --
>> > imho -- you should be inviting the gnome, gtk, trolltech,
>> > enlightenment, xfce folks and find with them how to enhance the kde
>> > integration of most of the applications being developed without kde.
>> >
>> > your invitation to the scribus team looks to me like a lobbying act
>> > tending to get scribus to become a kde app. this is something
>> > against which a random slackware user will react emotionally...
>> > and this is something makes me shake my head.
>> I think your choice of words is inappropriate. This is an invitation
>> to an Open Source conference. Akademy has earned an excellent
>> reputation, and to excoriate such an invitation as a "lobbying act"
>> is impolite, to say the least.
> they are inviting developers (not the team) to see why scribus is a
> qt application but not a kde application.
> afaik, the kde community wants scribus to become a kde application and
> it's their right to do so.
> i don't know how life is in germany, but in the countries i know, such
> a way of doing is called lobbying. still, i wonder why you think
> that talking about lobbying is impolite: i do much lobbying for free
> software (and for scribus), too and i have never felt bad for it!
>> Attacking someone because he sends out an invitation is childish, so
>> please stop it.
> i don't attack anybody and i think i have made some quite positive --
> non childish -- propositions.
> and i don't think that i
> would have posted a mail under this topic if no discussion about kde
> had been started by somebody else.
> i wish all the free DE good luck and i hope that they get better and
> better because they are very important for the people who need them.
> but i'm also convinced that it's a bad idea to tie applications like
> konqueror, evince, totem, krita, amarok, ... scribus to any single DE.
> take care
> a.l.e
> p.s.: i have re-read my mail and i have some difficulties to find where
> are the inappropriate words in the context of a post on a mailing
> list...
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