# [scribus] Insert Render Frame in 1.3.5 for Windows

Steven Dayton daytonmeister at gmail.com
Fri Mar 6 23:39:51 CET 2009

Wow. Thanks for the extensive info. It sound like unless I'm doing books
with many pages Scribus will be suficient for doing small booklets and
magazines with lots of graphics.

Steven Dayton

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, John Culleton <john at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

> On Thursday 05 March 2009 09:59:56 am Jeffrey Silverman
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Steven Dayton
> <daytonmeister at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > I have seen the name Latex but have no idea what it is.
> > > Is there a reference you can point me in the direction
> > > of to find out more about what these external tools are
> > > you mention?
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
> >
> >
> > Used mostly in the academic community.
>
> There is a suite of Open source programs called TeX that are
> ultimate quality of typeset output. Both use the TeX
> paragraph formatting method which considers the whole
> paragraph before making justification and hyphenation
> decisions. However TeX is not WYSIWYG. Instead a source
> file with embedded tags is processed through  the
> particular TeX program much as a computer program is run
> through a compiler.
>
> The base program (called initex) is never used by itself,
> but always has a "format" such as LaTeX or Plain. The LaTeX
> format is the most popular format but I don't like it and
> prefer to use the one called pdftex.  It is simpler, less
> verbose and gives me more control.  For example to
> italicize a word LaTeX uses:
>
> \textit{foo}
> but plain TeX (including pdftex) would use
> {\it foo}
>
> TeX is heavy on math formula typesetting, typesetting with a
> bibliography and typesetting with one or more indexes.  I
> use it for general book typesetting and indexing.
>
> I regret the use of LaTeX instead of plain TeX in Scribus.
> But I understand why it was done.
>
> How does TeX (any fklavor) compare to Scribus? Well they are
> completely different. But for setting text TeX is miles
> ahead. It has refinements such as hanging punctuation
> (called optical alignment,) and an optional feature that
> can automatically adjust each character in width by tiny
> amounts to aid in justification and so on. Further, since
> it runs as a serial batch program against a text file it
> handles books of thousands of pages if necessary. It works
> like a sausage machine--you feed in text here and a pdf
> file comes out there.  Also you can subdivide the input
> text into subfiles and call them in in sequence.  It makes
> and numbers pages on the fly.  For indexing, toc generation
> and so on two passes are necessary, one to collect these
> needed info in a separate file and another to insert those
> results in the finished pdf.
>
> A format called Context hides all these multiple passes.
> They exist, but happen automatically in Context. It is a
> higher level language like LaTeX but unlike LaTeX is under
> control of a single master programmer, Hans Hagen. OTOH
> LaTeX has hundreds (thousands?) of macro packages called
> styles that were written by different programmers in
> different eras. Finding the right one is something like
> finding a leaf in a forest.
>
> Font handling in TeX requires more fiddling and fussing than
> in Scribus. TeX originally had its own font system and Type
> 1, Truetype and now Open Type are addons.  Adding a new
> font to your own TeX installation takes some labor.
>
> In general TeX lacks the ease of construction of complex
> layouts found in Scribus.  But it is is much faster for
> typesetting a book and offers much higher quality layout
> and typesetting automatically, as indicated above.
>
> I use pdftex for books and indexing and Scribus for book
> covers, fancy flyers and so on.  Each is best in its own
> sphere.
> --
> John Culleton
> Able Indexers and Typesetters
> http://wexfordpress.com
>
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