[scribus] [WAY OFF TOPIC] Re: Newbie Mac User

Jeffrey Silverman jeffrey.d.silverman at gmail.com
Sun Aug 2 15:47:18 CEST 2009

Well, the first thing I do on any Debian derivative is to install things
that let me watch porn. I guess my mileage really does vary.

I think my argument is coming from the "recommendations for new Linux users"
direction. Recommending Slackware or Debian to new Linux users is typically
a bad idea, if you are interested in promoting the uptake of Linux distros.
However, NUMMV ("new users mileage yadda yadda") and all new users are
different. But understand that that is the vantage point from where my
discussion stems. "What distro do you recommend to a new Linux user, one who
was previously using Mac OS for the last 10 years?" "Slackeware? Debian?" NO
and NO. Typically.

Anyway, I'm not stupid either, and have been using computers since 1978. I'm
really not casting aspersions on your brain or your skillset, just on the
POV of your argument.

And finally, the easy, easy way to get a root prompt in Ubuntu is:

> sudo su -

This is even easier than "su" because you don't even have to know a
different password, you just use your own.

Finally, finally, the first things I really do on any new Ubuntu install

1) install gvim
2) install sux
3) add "set editing-mode vi" to /etc/inputrc
4) Install nfs-common
5) Install all my other software and printer(s) and mount points

I should proabbly script that, I do 1-4 so often.

Anyway, this is getting off-topic for Scribus, so sorry about that.

Alright, seeya...

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:54 AM, John Culleton <john at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

> On Sunday 02 August 2009 08:32:23 am Jeffrey Silverman wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:26 AM, John Beardmore <John at t4sltd.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > > Jeffrey Silverman wrote:
> > > <snip!>
> > >
> > > :)  The messing about required to get a root login is
> > > : frustration enough
> > >
> > > for anybody who grew up with debian !
> >
> > "Messing about"? It is REALLY REALLY simple, maybe even simpler
> > than Debian, to get a root login, if one really wants. I'm not
> > talking "root login at GDM" though. If that's what you want, then
> > stick with Debian. IMO, the whole root login thing is an area
> > where Ubuntu made some good choices.
> >
> > > One of the recent Ubuntus seemed to screw up installation of
> > > the network if you wanted fixed IP addresses.
> > >
> > > There are ways around these things, but maybe better to be less
> > > 'friendly' in the first place, hence my interest in mint if
> > > it's better tested.  (8.04 or 8.10 ?)
> >
> > I doubt Mint would fix that sort of problem. In Mint, if
> > something fundamental is broken in Ubuntu, it seems to stay
> > broken in Mint.
> >
> > Also, Ubuntu 9.04 is significantly better than either 2008
> > release.
> The first thing I do on any Debian derivative is to change the
> password on root.  Then I can go to work. I am not stupid and I
> have been working with computers since 1968.  I don't need
> some big brother hiding things from me.  YMMV of course.
> --
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