[Scribus] Header lines

Louis Desjardins louis.desjardins
Thu Sep 27 17:55:31 CEST 2007

2007/9/27, Dr. Werner Popken <Werner at stuerenburg.com>:
> >> Did I understand ocrrectly: Master pages cannot contain elements with
> >> different content on different pages except page numbers?
> > No you didn't understand correctly. A master page can contain the same
> > elements as a normal page. The difference is you can't edit items on
> master
> > page once you applied the master page to a normal page.
> Ok, that's what I meant. How would I get different content on a page
> using elements of a master page without editing the elements
> introduced by that one after it has been applied? No way!
> >> If so, how can I apply a "master layout" to include ever the same text
> >> frames (left/right) on a page? Do I miss something here? To rest
> >> assured, I spent an hour or so skimming through the documents,
> >> experimenting, trying to find out, Googling, ... As far as I can see,
> >> you can only place text frames automatically when creating a new
> >> document. Is this correct?
> > Yes and no. If you're working with 1.3.4  (which I wouldn't recommend),
> you
> > may want to explore the possibilities of "Insert > Frame".
> What do you mean? 0h, I see, didn't notice that before. Looks great,
> seems to be exactly what I was looking for! I'll try that!
> > Why would you want to change each page of a chapter? One left and one
> right
> > page for each chapter, including page numbers, are sufficient.
> Well, this may be a question of taste, but if you look at the art of
> bookmaking, you will find lots of interesting things. Imagine a book
> with 500 pages all looking alike except for the page numbers. The book
> certainly has some kind of structure, and you would like to know where
> you are with respect to this structure. You would have to look up the
> table of contents and compare the page numbers with the page number
> you are on to find out -- hopefully your book has a table of contents
> ;-)
> So it is a question of comfort if you know that the left page will
> give you the chapter you're in and the right page will give you the
> section. You will feel much more comfortably reading the book. You
> will know where you are in this structure without having to tediously
> find out yourself every time you want to know.
> Then there are footnotes which can be handled differently, on a per
> page basis, per section basis, per chapter basis or per book basis.
> Footnotes traditionally will be placed below the text on the page, if
> you use this approach. Recently I saw a solution where the footnote
> has been placed in the outer margin, which allowed for placing the
> footnote right next to the text where it stemmed from. Very nice!
> The outer margin is traditionally used to give an excerpt to the
> paragraphs on this page, sometimes only a couple of words, to make it
> easier to find something you read earlier and remember only faintly
> for an exact quotation.
> LaTeX not only cares for a bibliography and an index, but also for a
> list of pictures and a list of equations. This doesn't really relate
> very much to layout questions, but rather to the structure; in this
> sense, the table of contents-mechanism of Scribus definitely
> transcends the layout approach. I don't want to push Scribus into
> directions it isn't intended for, I just wanted to know if there is an
> easy approach to get what I want.
> Interestingly, the layout of books in certain parts of the market has
> changed significantly during the last 10 years, definitely due to the
> availability of powerful software tools. Personally, I'm not very fond
> of this development, especially when the design of books approaches
> the design of magazines which in turn tends to borrow heavily from the
> design of flyers. It ends up having lots of nonrelated elements on a
> page, pictures, boxes, symbols, shades, graphic elements, and some
> text as well trying to make its way through this maze ;-)
> At least the use of background images has diminished; background
> images were sometimes used to a degree that you could hardly read the
> text. It would be easy to implement something like that with Master
> pages ;-)
> >> Or is the scrapbook the tool to perform these repeating actions like
> >> placing text frames and placing a text frame and an image frame
> >> within? If so, is there a trick to place them exactly instead of
> >> pushing them around or correcting data via keybord in the properties
> >> page?
> > No, master pages ;)
> Well, as said above, I cannot edit any elements placed on master
> pages. I will try the Insert->Frame-method which will allow me to
> place a frame and an image frame on every single page, which I can
> manipulate later at will. At least I will have to change the image,
> and if I don't need an image on the page at all, it would be easy to
> get rid of it.

You can also use Page > Copy. Combined with the proper Master Page, this can
be useful in the case you are describing.

The Master Page is editable as a Master Page. If you need to change the
content, you need an extra Master Page. As I understand, you would have as
much left master pages as you have chapters and as much right master pages
as you have sections. This might sound like a lot but at the same time, as I
mentionned earlier, you can duplicate the master page. I don't see much
difference, actually, between having to edit the master page and having to
edit the actual pages in the book. I believe that master pages will save you


Thanks a lot!
> Werner
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