[Scribus] Again: Tutorial

Nicholas Vettese nvettese
Wed Jul 26 20:22:05 CEST 2006

If I may ask a quick question...

How many people wrote to say they were offended by the original tutorial? 
As I see it, the Vatican, and most cathedrals are filled with paintings that 
include humans in their "natural" form.

I am not trying to prolong the thread, but I am curious.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis Desjardins" <louis_desjardins at mardigrafe.com>
To: <scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Scribus] Again: Tutorial

> Gregory Pittman a ?crit :
>> Louis Desjardins wrote:
>>>On the content, do we agree some pics are controversial, not text?
>>>Please refer to my previous post to Maciej.
>> Well, we have the heading on the first page after the title page: Make
>> Khajuraho More Sexy. We talk about "the most stunning and erotic
>> sculptures" soon after. As I said to Maciej, it's not so much saying
>> this is flagrantly objectionable, but considering where the "fertile"
>> adolescent mind goes with this when the teacher distributes this in 
>> class.
>> I think you have to try to look at this from the prospective of a
>> teacher in an American high school trying to focus on teaching
>> DTP/layout, having to potentially answer to an angry parent or the
>> school board about the "pornographic materials" he is using.  (And how
>> would a female teacher see this?) Something else perhaps a bit
>> controversial this year is a heading like "Guerrilla Warfare For Gyaan"
>> -- many in Mumbai would not see the humor or cleverness in this.
>> There are also some cultural things that I do not understand, yet were I
>> presume OK for the original purpose. Software can be "muft and mukt". We
>> have the "Seven Steps to Software Samadhi" (check samadhi on Wikipedia),
>> and at least several of these seven steps do not seem to be talking
>> about the Linux we know today.
>> So we end up saying to the teacher, "Well, use the tutorial for
>> yourself, then make your own using your own materials." If that were so
>> easy, many of us might have done the same already.
>> In the end, what I'm saying is that we don't need to censor ourselves
>> and destroy this tutorial (or label it For Mature Audiences Only), but
>> we can in addition create a more broadly palatable one.
> Yes. You've got very good points. I didn't remember all those titles.
> And actually, if I didn't, it must be because they did not hurt or
> strike me. Of course, one can be sensitive to the "fertile adolescent
> mind" ...
> Really, I still think it is manageable but I am no expert and as I said,
> let's look at the long term effect... I realize the issue is a bit
> further important than just re-cropping a few pics and editing a title.
> To that point, let's leave this document like it is and let's make
> another one, like you say. That was version 1. Version 2 will be
> different. I have no problem with this approach.
> One thing I would mention is the fact that we have concentrated our
> sight on what was "wrong" (in a general way) in that document, taking
> good care of more sensitive souls and this is all right. This is some
> kind of "active listening" and it always proves to be a good thing to
> do. At the same time, let's concentrate on what we like in this
> document. Niyam's content was all aimed towards the idea of "Freedom".
> This, I think, could (should, whatever!) drive us in our choice for
> something else. "Free minds" are not difficult to find in History.
> Rembrandt was certainly a "free minded person" (I hope!) What I liked
> also was the total different culture from the Occidentals... This is
> also a big part of Open Source. Sharing, showing other things and other
> ways of looking at things. I might sound a bit serious here but I am
> writing this with serenity! :) And this doesn't mean I am behind
> Rembrandt! :)
> In the end, the content must meet the container like it did in version 1.
> I am sure Christoph has interesting to mention about Rembrandt that will
> support this! :)
> Thanks, Greg, for this wide angle overview!
> Louis
>> Greg
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