[Scribus] 3 column text box and DTP in schools

Roger hovergo
Fri Jan 27 06:47:08 CET 2006


Thanks for the 3 column text box info < Show Properties - Shape - 
Columns>, I simply didnt see that option among all the others, it works 
a treat.
I use Ver 1.2.4.1
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I agree that DTP is probably more important  in the long term than word 
processing. Abiword and Oo are fine tools. If a learner can get the hang 
of doing basic DTP in Oo then the transition to Scribus is quite fast 
because the principles are in place.

Like a lot of other tools in the 'nix environment, if ya dont know 
they're there and how to use them when you want them you get stuck, Like 
I did before Scribus came along.

Kids are not  silly they quickly latch on to these technologies, the key 
problem is that the teachers simply don't know and have to play catchup.
Roger


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>   7. Re: Document opening time (Thomas R. Koll)
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>   9. Re: Time to defend your use of libPDF (Lars Behrens)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:21:21 +0800
>From: Craig Ringer <craig at postnewspapers.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Text columns
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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>Roger wrote:
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>>Hi all
>>I must be missing something but I can't find a command to place 2 or 3 
>>columns of text into a text box.
>>    
>>
>
>Properties palette, shape tab, columns. At least in non-prehistoric 
>versions (you didn't mention which you were using).
>
>--
>Craig Ringer
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:25:02 +0800
>From: Craig Ringer <craig at postnewspapers.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Tutorial reference
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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>Benjamin Green wrote:
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>>I got posting via the LTSP discussion list about Scribus
>>    
>>
>
>Interesting that the LTSP folks are looking at Scribus. Anyone 
>interested in using it needs to be aware that Scribus renders the 
>on-screen canvas in a way that produces accurate results, but at the 
>cost of a lot of bitmap blitting. A *lot*. Using it over remote X11 is 
>possible, and works ok, but will use much more bandwidth than you'd 
>expect and can bog down badly at times.
>
>Future improvements in the canvas's intelligence about what to redraw 
>should help, but it's unlikely to ever be all that snappy over raw 
>remote X (unless we move to some totally different canvas implementation).
>
>Peter Linnell has found, however, that using the `NX' X11 proxy renders 
>it very usable even over the Internet on a DSL line, and there's been 
>discussion about NX integration in LTSP...
>
>--
>Craig Ringer
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:28:52 +0100
>From: Craig Bradney <cbradney at zip.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Tutorial reference
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
>Message-ID: <200601260828.56520.cbradney at zip.com.au>
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>On Thursday 26 January 2006 01:43, Mark Nowiasz wrote:
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>>Am Donnerstag, den 26.01.2006, 01:33 +0100 schrieb Craig Bradney:
>>    
>>
>>>Don't believe that for a minute.. in many schools where I am from
>>>(Sydney), > many primary schools, mostly private ones, all kids will have
>>>a laptop as > required by the school.> > Now, if I was coding when I was
>>>8, which I was, do you really think I wouldn't > know how to play around
>>>in a DTP app?
>>>      
>>>
>>Don't think so ? DTP is much more complex than using a editor, at leastif
>>you do it right. You should know something about typography (likekerning,
>>fonts, serifs, ?), color managment and know a little bit aboutthe black
>>art. DTP programs are quite specialized tools which are muchmore complex
>>    
>>
>
>They don't have to learn about colour management and they don't have to learn 
>about typography in detail, but they can have fun making their school 
>projects or party invitations etc etc.. just because its page layout, don't 
>make it sound scary compared to a word processor. TBH, given the bloody 
>aweful layout tools you get in a WP, they would have more success with a 
>layout app like Scribus.
>
>You shouldn't take things away from them if they are interested (if its good 
>and with moderation).. hell, my 20 month old girl knows words in 2 languages 
>(English and Luxembourgish) for 90% of the words she knows, she will know the 
>equivalent in German with 2 years and she will add French in later primary 
>school (thats just the way its done in Luxembourg, plus she gets English 
>early because of me). Shes not the slightest bit confused.
>
>Craig
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:30:02 +0100
>From: Craig Bradney <cbradney at zip.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Document opening time
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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>On Thursday 26 January 2006 05:35, [KS] wrote:
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>>Craig Bradney wrote:
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>>>Scribus will generate, or get ghostscript to generate previews for every
>>>image.. and yes, text may take some time too, which is all going to
>>>cahnge with the new file format loader work, and a whole lot of other
>>>changes to come in 1.3.x
>>>
>>>Craig
>>>      
>>>
>>Its allright if scribus calls ghostscript for the image previews and/or
>>text. After timing the opening of the document with a stopwatch I
>>realized that it takes around 86sec to 90seconds. Do I have a reason to
>>be concerned about this behaviour?
>>    
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>I dont think that other DTPs do it much faster. It will get faster in Scribus, 
>but I can't honestly say that an 80 page doc with 80+ images is a small doc.
>
>Craig
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:30:37 +0100
>From: Craig Bradney <cbradney at zip.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Text columns
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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>On Thursday 26 January 2006 07:46, Roger wrote:
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>>Hi all
>>I must be missing something but I can't find a command to place 2 or 3
>>columns of text into a text box.
>>At present I have to create 3 text boxes and link them.
>>    
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>
>Shape tab, properties palette.
>
>Craig
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:32:48 +0100
>From: "Thomas R. Koll" <tomk32 at gmx.de>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Tutorial reference
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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>Am 26.01.2006 um 00:49 schrieb Benjamin Green:
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>>>3. The tutorial was inappropriate for primary school. The example
>>>graphics were photos of sexual stone carvings (like kama sutra)!
>>>Otherwise didn't hear to many complaints.
>>>      
>>>
>>What tutorial is this and is there one with less sex?
>>    
>>
>
>how about calling that stone carving "art"?
>
>There was a funny discussion about a pro-EU campaign in
>Austria lately. They've re-enacted famous "sexy" paintings
>for photographs but actualy you saw less on the photographs
>than on the original ones. Of course the "discussion" went
>about pornography contra free speech.
>
>ciao, tom
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>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:35:09 +0100
>From: "Thomas R. Koll" <tomk32 at gmx.de>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Document opening time
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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>Am 26.01.2006 um 05:35 schrieb [KS]:
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>>Its allright if scribus calls ghostscript for the image previews  
>>and/or
>>text. After timing the opening of the document with a stopwatch I
>>realized that it takes around 86sec to 90seconds. Do I have a  
>>reason to
>>be concerned about this behaviour?
>>    
>>
>
>no, that's fast...
>I normally have a cup of tea when opening on of my magazines ;-)
>
>--
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>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:51:01 -0500
>From: Lee Wiggers <dlwiggers at aeis.tv>
>Subject: [Scribus] Template
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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>First, let me comment that I am having great sport with
>your prog.  This is more fun than work should be.
>
>I cannot sort out how to make a template.  The tutorial
>seems to be a bit dated.
>
>Also, can I concatenate 20 pages (.sla) into one?
>
>Lee
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>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:34:50 +0100
>From: Lars Behrens <Lars.Behrens at pi.uka.de>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Time to defend your use of libPDF
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
>Message-ID: <200601260934.50754.Lars.Behrens at pi.uka.de>
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>on Thursday 26 January 2006 00:24 Craig Bradney wrote:
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>  
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>>>I am not sure if this has something in common but for me Scribus
>>>always was screwing mm dimensions...
>>>      
>>>
>>Maybe 1.2.x. 1.3.x should not be. I set the pages up with the ISO
>>definition, and I centralised all the units conversion into one
>>place. You will always get rounding errors at some point given the
>>factors are not nice ratios, but you shouldnt really be with page
>>sizes thats for sure.
>>    
>>
>
>Hmm, here (1.3.2 on Slackware 10.2), when I click on "File" > "New" and 
>just accept the preselected A4, the dimensions in the greyed out field 
>show 209.903 mm and 297.039 mm. When I change the size in the dropdown 
>list to something else and then back to A4, then the correct dimensions 
>of 210.000 mm and 297 mmm are set.
>
>And really: There is a slight difference when I export the two versions: 
>The first one is shown as 209.9 x 297 in Acrobat Reader and the other 
>one as 210 x 297. Don't know whether that is within the rounding 
>tolerance and I even don't know how (or with which method) to measure 
>the whole thing correctly at all.
>
>Also, I don't want to be nitpicking, just wanted to inform you about the 
>fact.
>
>Cheerz Lars
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:42:31 +0100
>From: phriedrich <phriedrich at gmx.de>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Time to defend your use of libPDF
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
>Message-ID: <20060126094231.1ac526f7 at amelia>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:34:50 +0100
>Lars Behrens <Lars.Behrens at pi.uka.de> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hmm, here (1.3.2 on Slackware 10.2), when I click on "File" > "New" and 
>>just accept the preselected A4, the dimensions in the greyed out field 
>>show 209.903 mm and 297.039 mm. When I change the size in the dropdown 
>>list to something else and then back to A4, then the correct dimensions 
>>of 210.000 mm and 297 mmm are set.
>>    
>>
>
>Exactly the same here in 1.3.3-cvs from yesterday evening.
>
>BUT, I'm sure it's from an older configuration because after changing the
>default paper format in scribus' settings dialog to an other size, than
>change it back and press ok, the "new" dialog works as it is supposed to
>do.
>
>Alternatively just delete your old config.
>
>Best regards,
>Friedrich
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>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:27:25 +0100
>From: Tobias Hilbricht <hilbricht at linopus.de>
>Subject: Re: [Scribus] Time to defend your use of libPDF
>To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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>Am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2006 09:34 schrieb Lars Behrens:
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>  
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>>Hmm, here (1.3.2 on Slackware 10.2), when I click on "File" > "New" and
>>just accept the preselected A4, the dimensions in the greyed out field
>>show 209.903 mm and 297.039 mm.
>>    
>>
>
>With 1.3.2 on Debian Sarge I have here with mm as preselected base unit and A4 
>as default paper size 210 and 297 mm in the situation you describe, as it 
>should be. Could this be dependend on any build conditions?
>
>Yours sincerely
>
>Tobias Hilbricht
>
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