[scribus-dev] deb + ubuntu: migrating scribus-ng users to the scribus package

[Sonic Spuds]

This sounds like a good solution to me, maybe use a dummy package to
replace scribus-ng for now which depends on the scribus package.

-Sonic

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:52 AM, ale rimoldi <ale.comp_06 at xox.ch> wrote:

> hi devs
> hi malex
>
> for a long time, on debian (and some other systems, too) people have
> been using scribus-ng as the de facto stable version.
>
> now we need to plan a transition to get the "scribus" package to carry
> the new stable version and get the people to use it!
>
> currently, the situation has become rather complicated and there
> is imo a risk to see it become even more complicated,
> if we don't manage carefully the transition after the release of 1.4.
>
>
> but, let's first try to get the facts straight at least for debian (i
> expect the state for ubuntu to be similar to it):
> - stable carries 1.3.3.13 (from 2008!) as scribus and 1.3.5 (from
>  december 2009) as scribus-ng
> - testing has 1.4rc3 as scribus (april 2011) and 1.4rc2 as scribus-ng
> - scribus' own repository contains 1.4.0 (january 2012) for
>  the "scribus" package
> - scribus' own repository contains 1.4rc6 (january 2012) for
>  the "scribus-ng" package
>
> on top of it:
> - for ubuntu there is a PPA with the current 1.5svn managed by the
>  ubuntu project.
> - ubuntu users would prefer to have scribus' own packages being
>  packaged as PPAs, too.
> - malex wishes to wait for the "armel" bug being fixed before pushing
>  1.4 as a stable into the official debian repositories.
>
>
> now the big question: what do we want the people to use?
>
> in my eyes:
> - people should use 1.4.x for their daily work.
> - 1.5.0 is not ready yet to be used by people who are not involved in
>  the development of scribus.
>
>
> despite of having been using debian and ubuntu for years now, i don't
> have deep knowledges of the packaging rules (so i'm not sure if my
> proposal is possible). but i'd like to suggest the following migration
> path:
> - the "scribus" package should carry 1.4.x on debian testing
>  and on scribus' own repository. (i don't think anybody will come to a
>  different proposal for this...)
> - scribus-ng should become a dummy package inviting the
>  people to use the "scribus" package instead of "scribus-ng" (both in
>  testing and in the scribus own repository). this could be achieved by
>  putting in there a scribus 1.4 with a startup warning telling
>  the users to switch to "scribus" (something like the ghostscript
>  warning)
> - people using debian stable (or older ubuntus) will have to add the
>  scribus own repositories to get 1.4 in the "scribus" package: we
>  can't change the versions in the stable repositories.
>
> as soon as scribus 1.5 will be ready to be tested by a broader public
> (i think that the minimal requirement for it to happen, is to have
> the undo for text) it can be packaged as scribus-ng.
>
>
> by this proposal, i mainly want to avoid that users who are looking for
> a stable modern scribus are migrated to an unstable 1.5 without their
> express willing to do so.
>
>
> one last thought: i wonder if it's really useuful to have a scribus-ng
> package in the debian repositories... or if scribus-ng should in the
> future only be in the scribus' own repositories.
> scribus-ng was necessary, because 1.4 has taken so long to be
> released, but i'm really not sure, that it will be still useful if the
> releases get closer (as it has been proposed and -- i think --
> everybody wishes).
> if we can agree that scribus-ng should not be in the official debian
> repositories, i think that it should be possible to get apt to
> ask the users to replace scribus-ng by scribus making the transition
> much easier.
> as soon as scribus-ng will be needed again, it will be added
> again but only to the scribus' own repositories (this will be much
> easier to manage!)
>
>
> voilà the mail got longer than i would have liked...
>
> what are your thoughts?
>
> ciao
> a.l.e
>
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