<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>thanks Gregory and Silvain. This is not a professional project. Most likely I am going to print it on my own laser printer on DIN A4 paper or in a local print shop.</div><div><br></div><div>I have attached an archive with the two possibilities that I have been talking about.</div><div><br></div><div>no_horizontal_distance has the pages next to each other. </div><div>horizontal distance has 20mm distance between the pages.</div><div><br></div><div>The generated PDF looks the same in both cases but the horizontal_distance one is harder to create:</div><div><br></div><div>- Create a image frame on the left page with size 376mm x 236mm.</div><div>- Scale the image non-proportionaly to the frame (Is not necessary if the image has the right proportions) by letting it fit into the frame.</div><div>- Change to free scaling such that the following step does not change the picture.</div><div>- Reduce the image frame to 191mm x 236mm. Position the frame at (-3mm, -3mm). The left page is done.</div><div>- Copy the image frame and paste it to the right page.<br></div><div>- Change the x-position of the picture inside the frame to -185mm.</div><div><br></div><div>The horizontal distance PDF seems to include the image twice and is twice as large.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Do., 27. Feb. 2020 um 15:55 Uhr schrieb Silvain Dupertuis <<a href="mailto:silvain-dupertuis@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">silvain-dupertuis@bluewin.ch</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Normally, you *do not have to put internal bleed*.<br>
If a picture (or another element) gets right to the inner border of the page, it should be <br>
cropped just at the border of the paper.<br>
The only exception being if you want a picture to extend on two adjacent pages, but this <br>
would be reliable only in case this is the middle page of a "signature" - for exemple, if <br>
they are printed as group of 16 pages, that would be p.8-9, 24-25, 40-41, etc., and even <br>
though, a part of the picture would be hidden by the binding...<br>
<br>
Le 27.02.20 à 21:08, Gregory Pittman a écrit :<br>
> On 2/27/20 3:49 AM, Christoph Bartoschek wrote:<br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> I would like to create a book with Scribus but are unsure about a good<br>
>> setup. This is what I have:<br>
>><br>
>> The two-side pages are 185mm x 230mm. I want to print them on DIN A4<br>
>> (210mm x 297mm) and the pages will later be cut by the bookbinder. There<br>
>> should also be a 3mm bleed on all sides.<br>
>><br>
>> The crop marks have the default length of 7mm. The width of a page would<br>
>> now be:<br>
>><br>
>> 185mm (page) + 2*3mm (bleed) + 2*7mm (crop marks) = 205mm.<br>
>><br>
>> To get to the 210mm of DIN A4 I add an crop mark offset of 2.5mm. It seems<br>
>> the offset cannot be set differently for the different sides of the page.<br>
>> Thus to get to 297mm vertically I set the bleed on top and bottom to 24mm<br>
>> resulting in:<br>
>><br>
>> 230mm (page) + 2*24mm (bleed) + 2*7mm (crop marks) + 2*2.5mm (crop offset)<br>
>> = 297mm<br>
>><br>
>> Given this I wonder what the horizontal distance between the left and right<br>
>> pages should be. I get input for the book from other people and they would<br>
>> like to send me input that spans left and right. I see two major options<br>
>> for the horizontal distance:<br>
>><br>
>> 0mm: If I get a two page input which is 2*185mm + 2*3mm (bleed) = 376mm<br>
>> then I can just put it at position (-3mm, -3mm) of the left page and I get<br>
>> proper bleed for the left and right page even on the inner sides because<br>
>> the contents of the other page are added to the bleed. However, If I only<br>
>> want to completely fill one page (e.g the left one) then I see no good way<br>
>> to add the picture with inner bleed such that it does not appear on the<br>
>> also on the right page. Or is there an option that an element is only<br>
>> considered for one page during export?<br>
>> One might argue that an inner border does not need bleed at all, but I<br>
>> would like to have one.<br>
>><br>
>>> = 6mm: Now the inner bleed of one page does overlap with the page<br>
>> contents of the other page. Properly positioning input on a single page<br>
>> works fine. However, the two page inputs cause problems. If I just expand<br>
>> them over the two pages then I loose some content in the middle. To avoid<br>
>> this it seems that I have to add the content twice to the book, once for<br>
>> the left and once for the right page, and then shift and crop them such<br>
>> that each page shows the right content. This requires careful<br>
>> calculations, especially if the input has to be scaled to fit. It's easy to<br>
>> make mistakes.<br>
>><br>
>> For me it seems as if I have to go with >= 6mm as this is cumbersome but<br>
>> works. I am interested about what other people would choose in such a<br>
>> situation. Or is there something that I do completely wrong?<br>
> I think perhaps the best thing is to discuss the issues with your printer, sending a test document with these bleeds and crop marks.<br>
> There are situations where one might want an image on the inner part of a left page to spill over to the inner part of the adjacent right page.<br>
><br>
> Greg<br>
><br>
><br>
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