<div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you Martin. It means a lot to me.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Norbert</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 1:46 PM ZASKE Martin <<a href="mailto:zm@revue-gugu.org">zm@revue-gugu.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Norbert,<br>
<br>
thank you for more feedback and for your transparency. Again, your<br>
initiative is very good and all your reasoning makes sense to me.<br>
<br>
Re your proposals for attribution: "What do you think?" I think there is<br>
a healthy portion of common sense and you are listing good concepts.<br>
Seems that many graphic designers are hungry and need exposure (judging<br>
from certain questions on <a href="http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/</a>)<br>
<br>
So attribution is a fine thing, where there is space to place it. I<br>
guess that more than 80% of our output has space or even a full page to<br>
carry attributions and thank-you-notes. And what you propose for<br>
home-production also sounds good.<br>
<br>
<br>
When we broadcast our proverbs for example, by WhatsApp to a growing<br>
list of subscribers, we learnt that we can put our CC license into the<br>
jpeg-meta data as EXIF and IPTC. All our proverbs are decorated and<br>
layouted in Scribus. They probably never get printed for real and most<br>
of our illustrations for that series comes from Openclipart (so no need<br>
for attribution). Those proverbs do not need your templates, but just to<br>
show you that we like the concept of CC and apply it wherever the<br>
project and sources allow us.<br>
<br>
<br>
All the best for your project. Just write some helpful guidelines. Those<br>
who want to steal CC stuff will do it anyway and print it in the second<br>
basement somewhere in North Korea or wherever. But the good people, who<br>
just print some party-invitations will learn about the issues and can<br>
respect the providers more.<br>
<br>
And still there might be contributors who would even opt for "public<br>
domain", so just consider offering that option. Or run it as a test and<br>
see whether it is worth your trouble.<br>
<br>
good weekend,<br>
<br>
Martin<br>
<br>
<br>
On 18.05.2018 13:59, Norbert from Scribus Templates wrote:<br>
> Dear Martin,<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your valuable feedback. Non-mainstream templates would add<br>
> some serious value to the repository.<br>
> <br>
> 1) Thank you for initiating the discussion on licensing. To answer your<br>
> question, I am mindful of the following:<br>
> <br>
> - allow designers to gain exposure<br>
> - allow Scribus to gain exposure<br>
> - some guarantee that the templates will not be sold elsewhere<br>
> - be the least cumbersome for end users<br>
> <br>
> I believe the CC BY-SA license can accomplish the first three and not being<br>
> overcomplicated about the attribution requirements lead to the last one.<br>
> Attribution could go anywhere on the final product (digital or print) and<br>
> should be somehow human readable, i.e. not in metadata.<br>
> <br>
> However, I do understand that in some situations this would be<br>
> impracticable, specially for home printing (occasional office or family<br>
> use) and freelancing (crediting may not be expected or appropriate for some<br>
> projects). Requirements could be waived in such situations, say on the<br>
> condition that:<br>
> <br>
> - users send a picture of their homeprints :) or<br>
> - users/freelancers contribute in return to the repo when they can<br>
> <br>
> What do you think? What do others feel about it? I like the idea of<br>
> reciprocal sharing and I’m already excited to work in this direction.<br>
> <br>
> 2) Thanks again. I’m being transparent. I believe the project has to be<br>
> financially viable to survive. I shifted away from the idea of having ads –<br>
> which is it seems how the websites you mentioned generate an income. I got<br>
> the ball rolling… We’re only at the beginning.<br>
> <br>
> 3) I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings :) YES Scribus is hot but just<br>
> not easily accessible to everyone. Templates as you reckon can change that.<br>
> The slogan is really a call for action, something like “just do it”. And<br>
> using “more” here would mean there’s a deficit somewhere, wouldn’t it?! ;)<br>
> <br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Norbert<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:26 PM, ZASKE Martin <<a href="mailto:zm@revue-gugu.org" target="_blank">zm@revue-gugu.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Dear Norbert,<br>
>><br>
>> thank you for your initiative and for sharing here. I had a look at your<br>
>> site and first impression is nice.<br>
>><br>
>> Our project will probably never use any template, as our stuff and our<br>
>> readers are in a very-not-mainstream niche. Still templates can be one<br>
>> helpful aspect for learning about all the powers of Scribus.<br>
>><br>
>> If I ever have time, I will contribute a template plus sample database<br>
>> to show the awesome Scribus Generator in action.<br>
>><br>
>> Now from me one question, one hint and one mild correction:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> How do you want the attribution for your template CC licence? I do not<br>
>> see that it would make our posters any prettier, if we had to print an<br>
>> attribution "just for the template". Would you accept an attribution and<br>
>> licence info in the meta-data of any exported PDF-document? And what<br>
>> about printed documents? Minimum font-size? ... In books and magazines<br>
>> we are having a dedicated page for "legal matters", but what about<br>
>> one-page stuff or packaging or WhatsApp serial-proverbs... Have a look<br>
>> at all the different things created by Scribus on the "success stories"<br>
>> web-pages and write some practical ideas how the attribution could be<br>
>> correct but not deface the products.<br>
>> Maybe you could offer your contributors the option to tick "public<br>
>> domain" and thereby free the end-user from licence and attribution<br>
>> hassle? I love that at Openclipart.org and at Pixabay.com (both as a<br>
>> user and as a humble contributor).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I have been here for several years and I have never seen or heard the<br>
>> core Scribus developers ask for any money. As you are pointing out<br>
>> rightly, there are always costs... So they must have some sweet secret,<br>
>> maybe an oil-well or whatever. Just to give you that context and let you<br>
>> decide how much you want to shout.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Lastly, I propose your slogan should be "Let's make Scribus more sexy!"<br>
>> because - as far as any computer tool can be - Scribus is rather hot<br>
>> already!!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> All the best for your project; I love all the good stuff and the sharing<br>
>> coming to this list.<br>
>><br>
>> Martin<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 16.05.2018 08:59, Norbert from Scribus Templates wrote:<br>
>>> Hello,<br>
>>><br>
>>> My name is Norbert and I'm from France. If you're anything like me, the<br>
>>> first thing you did when trying out Scribus for the first time was to<br>
>> look<br>
>>> for templates. And. Well... You didn't find any. That is, not much more<br>
>>> than those bundled with the software.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'd like to change that.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I started releasing free user friendly templates in April 2018 on<br>
>>> <a href="http://scribus-templates.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">scribus-templates.net</a> - yes, I creatively called the project Scribus<br>
>>> Templates. And I'm planning to release more of them every week. Read all<br>
>>> about my crazy idea on the About page (<br>
>> <a href="http://scribus-templates.net/p/about.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">scribus-templates.net/p/about.html</a>).<br>
>>><br>
>>> If you're thrilled about this like I am, there are a number of ways in<br>
>>> which you could be part of it too. If you are an active Scribus user in<br>
>>> particular, you already have some files that you could convert into<br>
>>> templates and submit - that is, if you're happy to release them under CC<br>
>>> BY-SA 4.0 license.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Scribus Templates is and always will be about free access to knowledge<br>
>> and<br>
>>> sharing. This project is not commercially driven. However, it has to be<br>
>>> self-sustainable and this can be achieved with your help. If you believe<br>
>>> these values are worth defending, consider making a tip (<br>
>>> <a href="http://tipeee.com/scribus-templates" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tipeee.com/scribus-templates</a>) and passing on this email.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Subscribe to get new templates every week. Email me if you'd like to<br>
>>> contribute in any way.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Spread the word, share the love. Let's make Scribus sexy!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Norbert<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:info@scribus-templates.net" target="_blank">info@scribus-templates.net</a><br>
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