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On gio, 2014-04-24 at 18:15 -0400, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote:
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On gio, 2014-04-24 at 18:02 -0400, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote:
> On gio, 2014-04-17 at 21:28 -0400, Gregory Pittman wrote:
>
> > On 04/17/2014 07:58 PM, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote:
> > >
> > > thanks again. so if i follow correctly, the separate text frames
> > > are the only way to do this, as there is no "alternate text" option
> > > for vector graphics/etc. in Scribus and PDFs?
> > >
> > This is something that would need some expansion of current capabilities.
> >
> > Conceivably, one could now make some annotation frames containing the
> > text. This would be searchable in a PDF, but a side effect is the
> > appearance of the icon in the document indicating there is a note.
>
>
> this was my initial idea, but as you say this results in icons
> throughout the document.
>
>
> > Hovering over the note shows you the text, and you can use Edit > Search
> > in Adobe Reader to search for some text in a comment. AFAIK, these icons
> > never print when you print the PDF. You can hide the comments in the
> > PDF, but then they are no longer searchable, so you might need to switch
> > back and forth from showing/hiding. By definition, annotation frame text
> > doesn't show, so its color in Scribus doesn't matter.
> >
> > Perhaps another but undeveloped option would be to add to the
> > capabilities of object attributes, which are currently very limited.
> > There still would be only a certain amount of text one could add, and I
> > don't know that these attributes end up anywhere in the PDF.
>
>
> thanks for this idea. i did try adding text via attributes, but it
> does not seem to show up in the PDF, at least as searchable text. this
> would be very useful and a much simpler way to give non-text elements
> (i.e. polylines, images, etc.) some searchable text metadata. should i
> make a feature request?
>
>
> >
> > And it's worth mentioning that using your method, you can also assign
> > text in a frame a color of None.
>
>
> i tried this as well, and while indeed the text is not visible, it
> is also not searchable when color is set to None. so far using color
> Black (or any color besides None) and 0% transparency is the only way i
> have found to have the text frames hidden while still searchable.
after sending this email, on a whim i tried setting the text frame's
"Saturation of color of text fill" property (found under
Properties/Text/Color & Effects for a text frame) to 0% while leaving
the color Black and the frame transparency at 100%. fortunately this
works as intended: in the resulting PDF the text frame's text is
invisible (under its associated vector graphic in my case) but still
searchable. this method benefits from the fact that a text frame's
"Saturation of color of text fill" property can be set as a character
style, allowing all hidden text to set/updated to an "invisible but
searchable" style.
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OK, forgive my haste: the "set 'Saturation of color of text fill' property to 0%" method i described above DOES NOT WORK as intended, since the text can still be visible on a non-white background or if the text frame is moved above some graphic, etc..<BR>
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thus, it looks like the 0% transparency method is still the leading candidate for invisible but searchable text.<BR>
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peace, w<BR>
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