On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Tornóci László <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:torlasz@net.sote.hu">torlasz@net.sote.hu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
On 08/06/2011 07:23 PM, John Ghormley KJ4UFG wrote:<br>
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I suppose if you want quote marks that curve from the top in toward the<br>
quote on both ends there is more than one keystroke on each end involved. I<br>
totally eschew those marks as tedious and a bit old fashioned, but to each<br>
his own. Using them would slightly complicate the matter by adding two more<br>
keystrokes.<br>
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Curly quotes are not 'old fashioned' at all. You see them rarely, but that's because dumb quotes (these: ' and ") are used instead of them. Dumb quotes are leftovers from typewriter technology, and <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">they should NEVER be used in typeset documents</span>. The problem is: before the digital revolution of the printing industry, people got properly trained how to typeset a document. Now anyone can produce something that looks like a typeset document. I had absolutely no training in typography, but when I set out to produce my own book for medical students, I quickly realized my deficiencies, so I took the time and studied several books about typography. <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">If you do that, you get to know typographic tradition and you will be able to produce documents that look really professional.</span> Of course you can break any of the typographical rules, if you want, but <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">at least learn them!</span> It sort of opens up your eyes: you will be able to tell, what's wrong with a document that doesn't look right. My suggestion is to everyone, who regularly uses Scribus to read a good book like: The elements of typographic style by Robert Bringhurst.<br>
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Yours: Laszlo<div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote>You must feel clairvoyant, Laszlo. I express an opinion and you, albeit incorrectly, assume I have no experience with typography prior to DTP. But, obviously, I should be as "informed" as you or I have no business creating a typeset document. Geez, what an attitude! You must be quite insecure about all your typographic knowledge to demean someone you know NOTHING about simply to express your opinion on a topic.<br>
<br><br>With respect to Judy M:<br><br>On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:51 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwminer@accessvt.com">jwminer@accessvt.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">I heartily agree with Laszlo.<br>
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This may sound a bit mean, but when I see typeset text with<br>
typewriter quotes where curly quotes should be used,<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);"> I immediately</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">
identify the author or typesetter as a typographic idio</span>t. If you're<br>
going to use real type, USE IT RIGHT!<br>
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Curly quotes can be beautiful. They match the font, whereas<br>
typewriter quotes don't.<br>
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Failure to use proper quotes is another example of how our culture<br>
is becoming lazier and more careless. The <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">attitute</span> is spelling? Why<br>
bother? They know what you mean. Grammar? Elitist.<br>
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There is enough ugliness in the world. Your typesetting doesn't have<br>
to add to it.<br>
--Judy M.<br>
USA<br></div><br>Typographic idiot, huh? Maybe I should apologize for even placing my fingers upon a keyboard! I'll do my best to see you are not saddled with having to read my publication, ma'am, for it would be very unkind of me to make you gaze upon the "ugliness" I create!<br>
<br>Folks, you are NOT required to agree with me. Certainly, I do not demand that. I am quite willing to be the only person with a particular opinion. But, you did not hear me demean anyone, including John Culleton, the original poster, to whom I asked a question. But I am shocked to read such vitriol simply because I expressed my opinion. Why is it that you may call me names, but it is not OK for me to say how I feel regarding a typographic convention. I doubt either of you can logically justify your remarks.<br>
-- <br>John Ghormley KJ4UFG<br>Editor, SERA <i>Repeater Journal</i><br>Walkertown, NC USA<br><a href="mailto:editor@sera.org" target="_blank">editor@sera.org</a><br><br>