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>   1.  Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)? (David Gessel)
>   2. Re:  Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
>      (Gregory Pittman)
>   3. Re:  Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)? (David Gessel)
>   4. Re:  Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)? (dl)
>   5. Re:  Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
>      (Peter Nermander)
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> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:01:36 +0300
> From: David Gessel <gessel at blackrosetech.com>
> To: scribus at lists.scribus.net
> Subject: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
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> Dear Scribus list:
> 
> I apologize for the newbie question, but I've been trying to transition work from FrameMaker (used since version 1 on the NeXT in 1989) to open source and Scribus has some lovely capabilities, including nicely designed support for Font Features in the dev release that Frame still does not have even in the 2019 version.
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> I fully admit I'm coming to Scribus with preconceptions of workflow that don't entirely align, so what I'd like to do may just be outside the use cases for the package or maybe I'm just ignorantly missing the obvious.
> 
> I'd like to be able to define a page format - optimally multiple - that I can pre-design and assign to a document and then apply as editable.? I think I've exhausted the obvious mechanisms, I apologize for the enumeration of the obvious but to save back and forth:
> 
> It seems master pages are specifically intended for non-editable elements, what might be called "background" or "header and footer" (in less flexible environments).? This is wonderful and useful, but not what I'm looking for.
> 
> It seems Templates are used to define entire document designs, absent content.? This is also great for fixed length, pre-designed documents.? A powerful feature, to be sure, but also not quite what I'm looking for in that I can't define a single page template, then create a new document and "add page" and have that template applied.? Indeed, it seems the only way to apply the template is to copy paste the template structure to the next page, a somewhat plausible work flow if one carefully keeps a content free copy to the side.
> 
> If I look through the interface, where I would expect to find it would be in the Style Manager under "Page Styles," if such a thing existed.? I would expect construction of page styles to be similar to construction of and management of "master pages." I'd think it might include something like a mechanism for specifying "next page style" and or "next page even/next page odd" and auto-connect like-named text flows, auto-adding pages as text frames are filled.
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> 
> As an aside, for the convenience of combined content creator/page designers, I've found "Next Paragraph Tag" or "Next Style" definitions helpful as might be found when defining a "paragraph style."
> 
> Is there a way to define the Column and Text Distance in a paragraph style?
> 
> The new table tool seems like a step in the right direction and helpful - but in the dev version I don't seem to be able to "ungroup" the table to apply formatting.? I'd think I could define a "table text" paragraph style and a "table header" paragraph style (including column and text offset distances) and then multi-select and apply, but I haven't figured out how to do that.
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> I apologize for the newbie questions.? I've read through the documentation but may have missed some obvious answers.
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> -David
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:23:44 -0400
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
> To: scribus at lists.scribus.net
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
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> HI David,
> I'll try to answer what I can interspersed with your questions.
> 
> On 9/16/20 9:01 AM, David Gessel wrote:
>> Dear Scribus list:
>> 
>> I'd like to be able to define a page format - optimally multiple - that I can pre-design and assign to a document and then apply as editable.? I think I've exhausted the obvious mechanisms, I apologize for the enumeration of the obvious but to save back and forth:
>> 
>> It seems master pages are specifically intended for non-editable elements, what might be called "background" or "header and footer" (in less flexible environments).? This is wonderful and useful, but not what I'm looking for.
>> 
>> It seems Templates are used to define entire document designs, absent content.? This is also great for fixed length, pre-designed documents.? A powerful feature, to be sure, but also not quite what I'm looking for in that I can't define a single page template, then create a new document and "add page" and have that template applied.? Indeed, it seems the only way to apply the template is to copy paste the template structure to the next page, a somewhat plausible work flow if one carefully keeps a content free copy to the side.
>> 
>> If I look through the interface, where I would expect to find it would be in the Style Manager under "Page Styles," if such a thing existed.? I would expect construction of page styles to be similar to construction of and management of "master pages." I'd think it might include something like a mechanism for specifying "next page style" and or "next page even/next page odd" and auto-connect like-named text flows, auto-adding pages as text frames are filled.
> 
>> From what you're saying, I would suggest copying a page (Page > Copy) with its layout (which you can place where you want), then changing its content as needed. You're right, Master Pages are generally for fixed content. Another option you have is to copy a page from some external document. (Page > Import) What you could have then, would potentially be some documents with a particular layout, content or perhaps no content, to use for that purpose. Maybe even a general purpose document that has different layouts on different pages as a resource.
>> 
>> 
>> As an aside, for the convenience of combined content creator/page designers, I've found "Next Paragraph Tag" or "Next Style" definitions helpful as might be found when defining a "paragraph style."
>> 
>> Is there a way to define the Column and Text Distance in a paragraph style?
> 
> Column and Text Distances are features of text frames not of a Paragraph Style. Here again, you might have a text frame, with or without content, having the settings you want copied to another location and the content edited/added.
> 
> Greg
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:16:43 +0300
> From: David Gessel <gessel at blackrosetech.com>
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>, Gregory
> 	Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
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> Gregory,
> 
> Thank you for the help!
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
> To: scribus at lists.scribus.net
> Date: 2020-09-16 04:23+0300
> 
>> HI David,
>> I'll try to answer what I can interspersed with your questions.
>> 
>> On 9/16/20 9:01 AM, David Gessel wrote:
>>> Dear Scribus list:
>>> 
>>> I'd like to be able to define a page format - optimally multiple - that I can pre-design and assign to a document and then apply as editable.? I think I've exhausted the obvious mechanisms, I apologize for the enumeration of the obvious but to save back and forth:
>>> 
>>> It seems master pages are specifically intended for non-editable elements, what might be called "background" or "header and footer" (in less flexible environments).? This is wonderful and useful, but not what I'm looking for.
>>> 
>>> It seems Templates are used to define entire document designs, absent content.? This is also great for fixed length, pre-designed documents.? A powerful feature, to be sure, but also not quite what I'm looking for in that I can't define a single page template, then create a new document and "add page" and have that template applied.? Indeed, it seems the only way to apply the template is to copy paste the template structure to the next page, a somewhat plausible work flow if one carefully keeps a content free copy to the side.
>>> 
>>> If I look through the interface, where I would expect to find it would be in the Style Manager under "Page Styles," if such a thing existed.? I would expect construction of page styles to be similar to construction of and management of "master pages." I'd think it might include something like a mechanism for specifying "next page style" and or "next page even/next page odd" and auto-connect like-named text flows, auto-adding pages as text frames are filled.
>> 
>> From what you're saying, I would suggest copying a page (Page > Copy) with its layout (which you can place where you want), then changing its content as needed. You're right, Master Pages are generally for fixed content. Another option you have is to copy a page from some external document. (Page > Import) What you could have then, would potentially be some documents with a particular layout, content or perhaps no content, to use for that purpose. Maybe even a general purpose document that has different layouts on different pages as a resource.
> 
> Yes, that's a sensible work around - just keep importing the "Page Style" (s) as needed.  Thanks!
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As an aside, for the convenience of combined content creator/page designers, I've found "Next Paragraph Tag" or "Next Style" definitions helpful as might be found when defining a "paragraph style."
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to define the Column and Text Distance in a paragraph style?
>> 
>> Column and Text Distances are features of text frames not of a Paragraph Style. Here again, you might have a text frame, with or without content, having the settings you want copied to another location and the content edited/added.
> 
> Ah, that makes sense - and there's no "text frame" style - I wasn't thinking and saw it in the Text Properties window along between Paragraph Effects and Optical Margins, both of which are in the Paragraph Styles options.
> 
> I do like the "Style Manger" and it seems to be evolving well.  The Table, Cell, and Line styles seem like placeholders for future work in this direction which will be very welcome.
> 
>> 
>> Greg
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> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:29:28 +0100
> From: dl <dl.lists at ntlworld.com>
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> Subject: Re: [scribus] Templates vs. master pages vs. (page styles)?
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> Earlier I sent the following reply to only one correspondent. Sorry for 
> the slipup now corrected.
> 
> ...
> 
> I write from the sidelines here since I am not a regular user of 
> Scribus. However this topic seems to fall under the heading of dynamic 
> changes and I do have an interest in /composing/ Scribus documents other 
> than through the usual GUI.
> 
> Now the Scribus script ScribusGenerator serves the purpose of editing 
> Scribus to include variables.? The example cited is making dynamic 
> templates of business cards but I find that ScribusGenerator can be used 
> in a broader context to dynamically change document attributes. Follow 
> the video tutorial by the script author.
> 
> On a broader front (outside using Scripter) I have experimented with 
> creating dynamic Scribus documents (from a local PHP server) by 
> regarding the *.sla document as XML and processing XML in PHP. That 
> works nicely and involves adding a custom PHP mime type so that PHP 
> statements can be embedded into the Scribus document for processing. I 
> can point to other uses of this method I researched.? For example 
> embedded SVG files (also XML) can be so edited.
> 
> Just some more options to consider.
> 
> DL
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> From: Peter Nermander <peter at nermander.se>
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>> I'd like to be able to define a page format - optimally multiple - that I
>> can pre-design and assign to a document and then apply as editable.  I
>> think I've exhausted the obvious mechanisms, I apologize for the
>> enumeration of the obvious but to save back and forth:
>> 
>> 
> I can't see anybody has mentioned the scrapbook.
> 
> Design your page (place your frames etc). Select all objects on the page
> and Send to scrapbook. The page design is saved as an item in the scrapbook.
> 
> Now, the key is to *not *drag and drop from the scrapbook when you want to
> create a page with the design, but to *double-click* the entry. That will
> insert the objects in the location they were when they were sent to the
> scrapbook.
> 
> /Peter
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