[scribus] Introducing: Scribus Templates

Sat May 19 11:45:09 UTC 2018

Dear Norbert,

thank you for more feedback and for your transparency. Again, your
initiative is very good and all your reasoning makes sense to me.

Re your proposals for attribution: "What do you think?" I think there is
a healthy portion of common sense and you are listing good concepts.
Seems that many graphic designers are hungry and need exposure (judging
from certain questions on http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/)

So attribution is a fine thing, where there is space to place it. I
guess that more than 80% of our output has space or even a full page to
carry attributions and thank-you-notes. And what you propose for
home-production also sounds good.

When we broadcast our proverbs for example, by WhatsApp to a growing
list of subscribers, we learnt that we can put our CC license into the
jpeg-meta data as EXIF and IPTC. All our proverbs are decorated and
layouted in Scribus. They probably never get printed for real and most
of our illustrations for that series comes from Openclipart (so no need
for attribution). Those proverbs do not need your templates, but just to
show you that we like the concept of CC and apply it wherever the
project and sources allow us.

All the best for your project. Just write some helpful guidelines. Those
who want to steal CC stuff will do it anyway and print it in the second
basement somewhere in North Korea or wherever. But the good people, who
just print some party-invitations will learn about the issues and can
respect the providers more.

And still there might be contributors who would even opt for "public
domain", so just consider offering that option. Or run it as a test and
see whether it is worth your trouble.

good weekend,

Martin

On 18.05.2018 13:59, Norbert from Scribus Templates wrote:
> Dear Martin,
> 
> Thank you for your valuable feedback. Non-mainstream templates would add
> some serious value to the repository.
> 
> 1) Thank you for initiating the discussion on licensing. To answer your
> question, I am mindful of the following:
> 
> - allow designers to gain exposure
> - allow Scribus to gain exposure
> - some guarantee that the templates will not be sold elsewhere
> - be the least cumbersome for end users
> 
> I believe the CC BY-SA license can accomplish the first three and not being
> overcomplicated about the attribution requirements lead to the last one.
> Attribution could go anywhere on the final product (digital or print) and
> should be somehow human readable, i.e. not in metadata.
> 
> However, I do understand that in some situations this would be
> impracticable, specially for home printing (occasional office or family
> use) and freelancing (crediting may not be expected or appropriate for some
> projects). Requirements could be waived in such situations, say on the
> condition that:
> 
> - users send a picture of their homeprints :) or
> - users/freelancers contribute in return to the repo when they can
> 
> What do you think? What do others feel about it? I like the idea of
> reciprocal sharing and I’m already excited to work in this direction.
> 
> 2) Thanks again. I’m being transparent. I believe the project has to be
> financially viable to survive. I shifted away from the idea of having ads –
> which is it seems how the websites you mentioned generate an income. I got
> the ball rolling… We’re only at the beginning.
> 
> 3) I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings :) YES Scribus is hot but just
> not easily accessible to everyone. Templates as you reckon can change that.
> The slogan is really a call for action, something like “just do it”. And
> using “more” here would mean there’s a deficit somewhere, wouldn’t it?! ;)
> 
> Kind regards,
> Norbert
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:26 PM, ZASKE Martin <zm at revue-gugu.org> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Norbert,
>>
>> thank you for your initiative and for sharing here. I had a look at your
>> site and first impression is nice.
>>
>> Our project will probably never use any template, as our stuff and our
>> readers are in a very-not-mainstream niche. Still templates can be one
>> helpful aspect for learning about all the powers of Scribus.
>>
>> If I ever have time, I will contribute a template plus sample database
>> to show the awesome Scribus Generator in action.
>>
>> Now from me one question, one hint and one mild correction:
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you want the attribution for your template CC licence? I do not
>> see that it would make our posters any prettier, if we had to print an
>> attribution "just for the template". Would you accept an attribution and
>> licence info in the meta-data of any exported PDF-document? And what
>> about printed documents? Minimum font-size? ... In books and magazines
>> we are having a dedicated page for "legal matters", but what about
>> one-page stuff or packaging or WhatsApp serial-proverbs... Have a look
>> at all the different things created by Scribus on the "success stories"
>> web-pages and write some practical ideas how the attribution could be
>> correct but not deface the products.
>>         Maybe you could offer your contributors the option to tick "public
>> domain" and thereby free the end-user from licence and attribution
>> hassle? I love that at Openclipart.org and at Pixabay.com (both as a
>> user and as a humble contributor).
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been here for several years and I have never seen or heard the
>> core Scribus developers ask for any money. As you are pointing out
>> rightly, there are always costs... So they must have some sweet secret,
>> maybe an oil-well or whatever. Just to give you that context and let you
>> decide how much you want to shout.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lastly, I propose your slogan should be "Let's make Scribus more sexy!"
>> because - as far as any computer tool can be - Scribus is rather hot
>> already!!
>>
>>
>> All the best for your project; I love all the good stuff and the sharing
>> coming to this list.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> On 16.05.2018 08:59, Norbert from Scribus Templates wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Norbert and I'm from France. If you're anything like me, the
>>> first thing you did when trying out Scribus for the first time was to
>> look
>>> for templates. And. Well... You didn't find any. That is, not much more
>>> than those bundled with the software.
>>>
>>> I'd like to change that.
>>>
>>> I started releasing free user friendly templates in April 2018 on
>>> scribus-templates.net - yes, I creatively called the project Scribus
>>> Templates. And I'm planning to release more of them every week. Read all
>>> about my crazy idea on the About page (
>> scribus-templates.net/p/about.html).
>>>
>>> If you're thrilled about this like I am, there are a number of ways in
>>> which you could be part of it too. If you are an active Scribus user in
>>> particular, you already have some files that you could convert into
>>> templates and submit - that is, if you're happy to release them under CC
>>> BY-SA 4.0 license.
>>>
>>> Scribus Templates is and always will be about free access to knowledge
>> and
>>> sharing. This project is not commercially driven. However, it has to be
>>> self-sustainable and this can be achieved with your help. If you believe
>>> these values are worth defending, consider making a tip (
>>> tipeee.com/scribus-templates) and passing on this email.
>>>
>>> Subscribe to get new templates every week. Email me if you'd like to
>>> contribute in any way.
>>>
>>> Spread the word, share the love. Let's make Scribus sexy!
>>>
>>> Norbert
>>> info at scribus-templates.net
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