[scribus] Scribus 1. 5

Tue Apr 21 19:09:59 UTC 2015

Did I read that 1.5 was now released and available and is it available for Windows 7?

Wena 

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   1. Re:  Missing Fonts in PDF (Jean-Luc Waber)
   2. Re:  Missing Fonts in PDF (JLuc)
   3. Re:  Missing Fonts in PDF (Gregory Pittman)
   4. Re:  Missing Fonts in PDF (Peter Nermander)

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:06:21 +0300
From: Jean-Luc Waber <jlwaber at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [scribus] Missing Fonts in PDF
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Hi again,

I received a new message from the printer:
> Your fonts are embedded in PDF not as full font information but only
> as so called "subset". Until now we have considered PDF like that as
> not perfect for printing.

They updated their printer software and it seems that they can work with 
it now. But I still wonder what the difference is. Is Scribus producing 
a PDF with less information (subset) than ID or other DTP software (full 
font information)?

Or is this just one printer's opinion?

Or is this a result of using TT-fonts, versus other fonts (OTF, 
PS-Type-1, ...)?

Thanks for your help.

Jean-Luc

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> Le 07/04/2015 19:50, Jean-Luc Waber a ?crit :
>> I have a problem with our new printer in Poland. He says that the
>> fonts are missing in our PDF (Version 1.4). I use scribus 1.4.5 for
>> Windows and have the fonts embedded. I see the embedded fonts in
>> Adobe Reader Properties (e.g. Fontin (Embedded), True Type,
>> Encoding: Custom)(or URW Regular ...). They told me to make PDF
>> X/1-A, but also there they tell me the fonts are missing. In the
>> past I had the exact same files printed in Korea with no problems.
>> This is what the new printer tells me:
>>> I have received 3 books with covers. Our Pit Stop program shows
>>> that there are still missing fonts. Some files are almost OK, and
>>> fonts are missing only on one "impressum" page for instance.
>>
>> The book-file which is almost ok was done with Indesign by a
>> friend, I just had to change the impressum page for the new
>> edition, and this page was done with scribus (which seems to have a
>> missing font) and then assembled with jPDFTweak.
>>
>>> We have consulted this situation with software manufacturer and
>>> found out that newest upgrade of our RIP program used for
>>> rasterizing images have feature that can help a lot in situation
>>> of missing fonts.
>>
>> But the fonts shouldn't be missing in the PDF! Does anybody have an
>>  idea what is going on here?
>>
>> Thanks for your help! Jean-Luc
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:01:06 +0200
From: JLuc <jluc at no-log.org>
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Subject: Re: [scribus] Missing Fonts in PDF
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Le 20/04/2015 17:06, Jean-Luc Waber a ?crit :
>
> as so called "subset". Until now we have considered PDF like that as

PDF is very wide a spec and includes lots and lots of variants
and it evolves as new versions are released and as new workflows spread.
Printers tools only understand a subset of all PDF variants.
They usually concentrate on variants Adobe products produce.
Scribus uses other variants.
Hence the issues sometime, on some RIP.

Subsetting a font is : only include the used glyphs.
It makes file smaller.
I sometime subset fonts where i only use one glyph or 2 as webdings or wingdings fonts.

Im no expert but i,ve been printing PDFs for 15 years now.
I regularly have issues with fonts on scribus,
not because scribus cannot do clean PDFs,
but because clean font management is really tricky with professionnal printers
and because scribus neither does it automatically
nor does its UI explains its settings correctly enough for me.

Some improvement requests trace these issues :
http://bugs.scribus.net/view_all_bug_page.php
You might learn interesting things.
Have a look at the possible hints :
http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=13021
Look in the wiki also.

JLuc

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 12:47:23 -0400
From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Missing Fonts in PDF
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On 04/20/2015 11:06 AM, Jean-Luc Waber wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> I received a new message from the printer:
>> Your fonts are embedded in PDF not as full font information but only
>> as so called "subset". Until now we have considered PDF like that as
>> not perfect for printing.
> 
> They updated their printer software and it seems that they can work with
> it now. But I still wonder what the difference is. Is Scribus producing
> a PDF with less information (subset) than ID or other DTP software (full
> font information)?
> 
> Or is this just one printer's opinion?
> 
> Or is this a result of using TT-fonts, versus other fonts (OTF,
> PS-Type-1, ...)?
> 

I think it is a common, more than one printer opinion. There should be
no problem with embedding a subset. It may also be a matter of not
upgrading software as they should be doing.

Greg

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 07:34:32 +0200
From: Peter Nermander <peter at nermander.se>
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Subject: Re: [scribus] Missing Fonts in PDF
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> They updated their printer software and it seems that they can work with
> it now. But I still wonder what the difference is. Is Scribus producing a
> PDF with less information (subset) than ID or other DTP software (full font
> information)?
>
> Or is this just one printer's opinion?
>
> Or is this a result of using TT-fonts, versus other fonts (OTF, PS-Type-1,
> ...)?
>
>
Sub-setting is very common, especially with modern fonts containing many
glyphs. A single font can be 15-20 MB in size, if you only use 1/10th of
the glyphs in the font, why embed the whole font? Ten fonts of that size
would make the PDF 150 MB larger.

Also a PDF can not contain all types of fonts, I think for example OTF is
one exception (there is a page on the wiki about this). In that case
Scribus will have to convert the font, and I think this may look just like
a subset font.

So subsetting does not prevent the PDF from printing correctly, it may
however affect the possibilities to do edits to the PDF.

In "the old days" the printer used to do "last minute edits" of the PDF
before printing (because the PDF was delivered on a CD-ROM or zip-disk by
regular mail, so it could take a day or two to send a new PDF), but today
it's generally better if you do the edit yourself (because you can send a
new PDF to the printer in minutes).

/Peter
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