[scribus] Paragraph Justification (Christen)

John Ghormley KJ4UFG kj4ufg at sera.org
Mon Nov 21 00:19:24 UTC 2011

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Louis Desjardins <
louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2011/11/20 Murray Strome <wmstrome at yahoo.com>
> > Original Message:
> >
> >                Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:52 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >            From: "Christen" <christenanderson1994 at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >                Not sure if this is at all feasible, but why not get rid
> of
> > the forced
> > justify icon and instead do something similar to the underline or
> shadowed
> > text settings in the PP. For instance, when you click on the "underline"
> > option, it underlines the text (as expected). But when you click and hold
> > down for a moment, a small menu appears with width and displacement
> > options.
> > You could have the normal justify button, that simply justified the text,
> > but if you click and hold down on the button, you can have the option for
> > forced justification.
> >
> > (Hope that all made sense. Having a hard time explaining what I mean) :)
> >
> > Christen
> >
> > Now that I have found excellent uses for the forced justification and
> know
> > where it is located, I strongly recommend leaving it as it is. It makes
> > much more sense to leave it with the other forms of justification than to
> > move it somewhere else.
> >
> However, leaving things as they are at the moment still leads to confusion.
> And it's been around since the introduction of the settings, so years of
> confusion for quite a few people who use one for the other while the use
> for justification "regular" (if you allow me this word) is massive in
> comparison to the other one.
> I don’t speak for myself and I expect just about any professional to know
> which to use, when and why. And once one has found out, it's like going on
> a bicycle, you can't forget! But for the many others that are simply lost
> with all the possible settings and still manage their way to make a layout,
> for those I still believe there is a glitch we can correct.
> The icon might not be clear enough?
> If we leave the icon as is, then maybe push it out of the series. Or put
> Left - Center and Right in a row, then Justify, the Forced Justify ? So:
> [L][C][R]  [J]  [FJ]
> Or even less confusing, [J]  [L][C][R]  [FJ]
> I mean, it's purely a case of presenting things in an way where it will be
> at least clear enough that one cannot be taken for the other or at least
> ring a bell that there is a difference. The solutions I propose might just
> not make it as well, but the issue remains nonetheless.
> Align Text Left
> Align Text Center
> Align Text Right
> Align Text Justify
> Align Text Forced Justify
> Those are the tooltips. Maybe the reason for confusion also lies in those
> few words.
> I found this very interesting explanation that may put some more light into
> this discussion:
> Alignment refers to the side of the page or column with which the text is
> even. For example, text that is even with the left side of the page margin
> or column is said to be “flush left,” “aligned left,” or sometimes “rag
> right” since it is uneven (or ragged) on the right side. Other options are:
> flush right (also called rag left), centered, justified (flush on both left
> and right sides, except for the last line, which is flush left), and forced
> justified (which justifies even the last line). Most body text is either
> flush left or justified. Headlines and subheads are normally flush left or
> centered; however, centered text should be used with care. Flush right
> should only be used for design purposes, and then only for small amounts of
> text. Forced justified is rarely used.
> Source: www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/TypographyBasics.pdf
> The very least we could do is to update the tooltip like (any better or
> shorter phrasing will be appreciated):
> TOOLTIP: This option is the same as the justify one with the difference
> that it will force the last line to be justified as well. If all you want
> is to create columns with the last line being flush left (most common use),
> use the Justify text option.
> Louis

It seems to me that if one would just look at the icon and the presentation
thereon, one would see clearly what the difference between the two justify
operations really is.  The icons show the difference pretty clearly in my

John Ghormley  KJ4UFG
Editor, SERA *Repeater Journal*
Walkertown, NC  USA
editor at sera.org
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