[scribus] What's the future of "Display only used colors"?
christoph-schaefer at gmx.de
Wed Mar 17 01:35:59 CET 2010
Am Montag, 15. März 2010 17:10:33 schrieb Louis Desjardins:
> 2010/3/15 a.l.e <ale.comp_06 at xox.ch>
> > salut louis,
> Salut Ale !
> > just try to insert that image
> >>>> http://www.openclipart.org/people/axcesar/axcesar_Rosa.svg
> >>>> and tell me if you're interested in seeing all those FromSVG#062a00 to
> >>> show
> >>>> up in your color list.
> >> How I look at this is if you have imported that image, you need those
> >> colors. I am not sure that filtering them out will be the way to go. We
> >> need
> >> an extra step in between or maybe this is what you had in mind when you
> >> say
> >> "filter them out"?
> > yes, those colors are needed to print and display the image.
> > but if i import 5 roses in 5 different colors, the palette will be
> > polluted by dozens of colors which -- on the one side -- can't be removed
> > but -- on the other side -- i will never want to use in my document
> > outside of that imported figure (in some case i will use one of those
> > colors).
> > what i want is an option not to see them, if i wish so.
> > yesterday, i had a few discussions about this feature request and i think
> > that the way to go is to flag the colors, when they are automatically
> > created.
> > colors which have that flag can be hidden in the same way we currently
> > hide unused colors.
> Hiding them to have a workable color palette is one thing.
> > as soon as you apply a color to a shape or frame in the document the flag
> > is removed from that single color.
> Again, this sounds fine.
> But there is a big but ! At the same time we need to acknowledge that we’re
> going to make a decision on those colors coming from an imported document.
> First, it’s a good thing that we can have those colors at hand. The next
> step is to decide how these colors will be used.
> If we cannot implement a "map color option" at the time being, maybe we
> could have a dialog showing up asking what to do with those colors : mark
> them as process colors or mark them as spot. Since they can be one or
> another, mutually exclusive choice, I guess this could be a sane way to
> take care of the issue. Then, pursuing in your view, the user have to
> choice to see those colors or not in the list (but they do belong to the
> document once they are imported).
> The Color dialog:
> [ ] Remove Unused (already present in the dialog)
> [ ] Don’t list Imported (would be added underneath Removed Unused)
> "Remove Unused": tooltip as it is.
> "Don’t list Imported": tooltip: (Un)checking this option (un)displays the
> colors that have been created into Scribus upon the importation of an image
> Or something like that!
> The warning dialog:
> [ ] Imported colors are CMYK
> [ ] Imported colors are spot
> Tooltip: The colors used in the imported file will be converted to either
> spot or CMYK. You will be able to change those color settings afterwards.
> The default value is CMYK and should be changed only if you know what you
> are doing.
> > One sure thing is if there are more than a few colors,
> >> those colors will need to be either set to process colors or to be
> >> mapped to
> >> fewer spot colors in order to make that usable.
> I see that a "Change color" dialog now exists. I haven’t had the time to
> play with it but this is something most similar to what I have in mind.
> In no way will a user want
> >> to work with dozens of colors and set them as spot colors, unless the
> >> job is
> >> sent to a color printer (machine) that will convert them on the fly as
> >> the job is processed and printed. If this is meant to be used this on an
> >> offset
> >> press, then plates come into play and the number of colors will become
> >> critical plate-wise and cost-wise. We need a way to handle this.
> > very interesting point. no idea how scribus (or inkscape) could handle
> > this, but that would also be a very neat future (i guess more difficult
> > to implement than what i am proposing...)
> > ciao
> > a.l.e
> > Au revoir !
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