[scribus] write and save a document
Ronald Wiplinger (Lists)
ronald_lists at elmit.com
Wed Jul 1 12:53:55 CEST 2009
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 06:29 +0200, Christoph Schäfer wrote:
Thank you for your words.
No, I do not need your private collection of notes.
No, my message was not out of line, maybe we should speak German that
you would get the meaning.
A sample chapter is not a solution.
Thank you again for your kind words.
(that is spelled with first an "n" and then the "l")
> I really think you need to learn some basic lessons about Free Software.
> > Christoph,
> > I brought that to the attention of the company, but they refuse to pay
> > for the book with the reasons:
> > 1. The program is free, but how to use it we should pay?
> The program is Free Software. Free (as in libre) doesn't necessarily mean
> gratis! However, you can use Scribus at no cost, download the source code and
> modify it! You are also free to ask questions on the mailing lists or on IRC.
> The documentation on the Wiki is also available to you -- in more than one
> > 2. The program and the documentation seems to be independent, means
> > there is no guaranty that the information is correct nor a chance to get
> > it fixed.
> If you had been reading carefully, you'd have noticed that the book is
> called "Official Manual," which means it has been approved by the development
> team. Actually, it has been partially written and carefully reviewed by the
> Scribus devlopers!
> > 3. If we have to pay, then we pay to a commercial product.
> Sure, but as stated above, Open Source doesn't mean gratis or non-commercial.
> Moreover, the documentation is released under the FDL. Once you bought a
> printed copy, you're free to create and distribute digital versions of the
> texts and images. You should also note that the majority of the revenues will
> be used to advance the development of Scribus. Have you ever complained about
> O'Reilly publishing books on FLOSS software?
> > For me it is also not understandable that the documentation is a
> > different project and extra to pay. I understand that the effort should
> > be awarded. BUT a good programmer will make the documentation at the
> > same time, otherwise nobody can use the program.
> See above. If you ever took the time to visit www.scribus.net, you would have
> been able to notice the availability of a sample chapter and a ToC. Even a
> short look would have revealed to you that the manual is for users, not for
> > Therefore, where are the docs, that lead to the book?
> The final versions are living on my hard drive, as well as on a backup DVD. If
> you think you are entitled to them, I'd be curious as to your legal
> reasoning. That doesn't mean I won't make them available to you, but you
> should offer something in return that will help the Scribus project. It need
> not be money, but could be useful code as well!
> In summary, I think your latest posting has been completely out of line. You
> are working for a company that offers products and services based on FLOSS
> and charges for them. At the same time you dare to complain about an Open
> Source project that has no commercial interest and has found voluntary
> authors who spent a _lot_ of their spare time to write a manual and decided
> to sell printed copies for the benefit of the project.
> If you or your company are complaining about not being able to establish a
> business without being parasites, you should refrain from using Scribus and
> other Free Software. Good luck with that!
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