[Scribus] AND operation> Tutorial

Tue Jun 13 15:17:35 CEST 2006

Cedric,

You are absolutely right, but maybe it's time I revealed my supersecret plan...

What I need is an A0-poster, showing all the songs from our
music-computer (ca. 4000 song-titles + bandnames). The logo should be
shown through this gigantic list. This would be the "cool effect"...

Example (without the intersecting, just the logo plainly on the background):
http://matthijs.theozwinderman.nl/ex2.jpg

It sounds kinda stupid now, because apperently something like this
needs  a lot of processorpower. To do this with the Gimp would require
a humongous image, with a very high resolution, that would make it
undo-able...

All-in-all I don't think something like this can be done with a
desktop-pc after-all (or I would probably need some sort of scripting
language ??)

Thanks anyway, for all your work!
I'm sure it'll come-in handy for my next project :D

Greetings,

Matthijs

On 6/13/06, Cedric Sagne <csagne at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Matthijs,
>
> Tests show that what you aim at achieving is a four step thing in Adobe
> Photoshop (possibly so also in GIMP) using selections and rasterizing the
> type, then intersecting, and I would not recommend Scribus there as complex
> polygons generated cannot be created with the Scribus tools.
>
> The final result (as in your example) does not display the logo clearly
> enough. I am wondering if the "cool effect" is not defeated?
>
> Cedric
>
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>  1. Re: AND operation> Tutorial (Matthijs Zwinderman)
>  2. RE: Maintaining text with scribus (Marc de Banville)
>  3. Scribus 1.3.3.2 on Fedora Core 5 - Build your own RPM
>  (Sean Carlos)
>  4. RE: Maintaining text with scribus (Marc de Banville)
>  5. Re: Maintaining text with scribus (Gregory Pittman)
>  6. Re: Maintaining text with scribus (Gregory Pittman)
>  7. Re: Scribus 1.3.3.2 on Fedora Core 5 - Build your own RPM
>  (Calum Polwart)
>  8. Re: Maintaining text with scribus (Marc de Banville)
>  9. Q; Why does import from Inkscape/SVG look so different in
>  Scribus? (D. R. Evans)
>  10. GSView under Debian (jrm at kw.igs.net)
>  11. Re: Q; Why does import from Inkscape/SVG look so different in
>  Scribus? (Gregory Pittman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:43:28 +0200
> From: "Matthijs Zwinderman"
>
> Subject: Re: [Scribus] AND operation> Tutorial
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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> He Cedric!
>
> Thanks a lot! Your tutorial makes it really simple :)
>
> However, I would like to remove the logo, after it's cut-out of the
> text... Is that also possible? (I've tried to create an example...
> http://matthijs.theozwinderman.nl/example.jpg )
>
> Matthijs
>
> On 6/12/06, Nicholas Vettese wrote:
> > Thank you for the tutorial.
> >
> > Nick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Pittman"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Scribus] AND operation> Tutorial
> >
> >
> > > Le Tigre wrote:
> > >> No, no, of course not - it's just a graphical effect, in order to
> remind
> > >> the "rayures" (transl.?) of the tiger...
> > >>
> > > rayures = stripes
> > >
> > > Greg
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:04:32 -0600
> From: Marc de Banville
> Subject: [Scribus] RE: Maintaining text with scribus
>
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
> Message-ID: <448D8280.5080404 at canalvalley.com>
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> Thanks Greg,
>
> I am going to use it right now, hoping all my text frames start with
> "Text". The point is that I am looking for a kind of tool that would
> allow importing back the file into scribus once corrected, for instance.
>
> The point is that I am right now correcting the second edition of a book
> I published late 2004 using scribus. It has 12 chapters, and more than
> 150 picture captions, plus titles, subtitles, and the like, for a
> grandtotal of more than 200 different texts.
>
> As I am reviewing the whole layout, I am copying text frame by text
> frame and passing through oo for spell check and find/replace. But there
> are always small corrections you need to do into scribus, for spacing or
> designing purposes. As the text frames into scribus are not linked to an
> external text file, to create this link you have to save back each time
> you open the editor, and take care when you edit right into the frame.
> Result : you most likely have a version difference between .sla text
> frames and the .txt (or .rtf) backups.
>
> I would like the possibility/option to link permanently texts frames
> into scribus with external document that you could update/reload at
> will. The availability of a spellcheck tool inside text editor would be
> fine too. (I am working on books with different 2-3 languages)
>
> Do you think there is any use for such a tool, because my need may be
> too specific.
>
> Thanks again for framelist.py. I am going to test it right now.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:56:36 +0200
> From: Sean Carlos
> Subject: [Scribus] Scribus 1.3.3.2 on Fedora Core 5 - Build your own
>  RPM
>
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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> For users of Fedora Core 5, Scribus 1.3.3.2 can be packaged as an RPM,
> facilitating later upgrades. I've documented the process that "works
> for me" here:
>
> http://www.antezeta.com/linux/scribus.html
>
> I cannot yet vouch for 1.3.3.2 usage and stability on FC 5; I did
> successfully use 1.3.3.1 on FC 5.
>
> Sean Carlos
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:28:31 -0600
> From: Marc de Banville
> Subject: [Scribus] RE: Maintaining text with scribus
>
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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> Greg,
>
> First try with framelist.py. It works great with pagenumbers and so, but
> two problems:
>
> 1. Accentuated letters result in strange combinations. For instance
> letter e acute "?" results in weird "??" combination. Is there a
> python-scribus function to correct this (In the text editor it is fine)
>
> 2. Long texts which jumps from frame to frame are repeated as the script
> does not detect it is the same text. I will start to study python a
> little bit to see if I can modify your script to fix these. But if a
> scribus python guru could give me some advice, I would be very happy :-).
>
> Thanks again
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:24:49 -0400
> From: Gregory Pittman
> Subject: Re: [Scribus] Maintaining text with scribus
>
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
> Message-ID: <448D9551.2030302 at iglou.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
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> Marc de Banville wrote:
> > Thanks Greg,
> >
> > I am going to use it right now, hoping all my text frames start with
> > "Text". The point is that I am looking for a kind of tool that would
> > allow importing back the file into scribus once corrected, for instance.
> >
> >
> This is probably "do-able", but the coding might be tricky.
> > The point is that I am right now correcting the second edition of a book
> > I published late 2004 using scribus. It has 12 chapters, and more than
> > 150 picture captions, plus titles, subtitles, and the like, for a
> > grandtotal of more than 200 different texts.
> >
> > As I am reviewing the whole layout, I am copying text frame by text
> > frame and passing through oo for spell check and find/replace. But there
> > are always small corrections you need to do into scribus, for spacing or
> > designing purposes. As the text frames into scribus are not linked to an
> > external text file, to create this link you have to save back each time
> > you open the editor, and take care when you edit right into the frame.
> > Result : you most likely have a version difference between .sla text
> > frames and the .txt (or .rtf) backups.
> >
> Some of this sounds like a workflow issue -- maybe what you need to do
> is identify the errors outside of Scribus, but edit within Scribus.
> There is a search/replace function in Story Editor.
> > I would like the possibility/option to link permanently texts frames
> > into scribus with external document that you could update/reload at
> > will. The availability of a spellcheck tool inside text editor would be
> > fine too. (I am working on books with different 2-3 languages)
> >
> >
> Perhaps this will come someday -- something like a modified use of
> subversion?
> We might be able to figure out a script, starting with frameslist.py,
> that uses an outside spell check program.
>
> Greg
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:29:03 -0400
> From: Gregory Pittman
> Subject: Re: [Scribus] Maintaining text with scribus
>
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
> Message-ID: <448D964F.7000206 at iglou.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Marc de Banville wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > First try with framelist.py. It works great with pagenumbers and so, but
> > two problems:
> >
> > 1. Accentuated letters result in strange combinations. For instance
> > letter e acute "?" results in weird "??" combination. Is there a
> > python-scribus function to correct this (In the text editor it is fine)
> >
> >
> This sounds like it might be an encoding issue, see:
> http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=en&sm=scripterfaq&page=scripter-faq
> I didn't put these lines in the script so whoever used them could
> customize for their own system.
> > 2. Long texts which jumps from frame to frame are repeated as the script
> > does not detect it is the same text. I will start to study python a
> > little bit to see if I can modify your script to fix these. But if a
> > scribus python guru could give me some advice, I would be very happy :-).
> >
> I guess what you're saying is that if frames are linked, there is a
> problem -- I'll have to check that out.
>
> Greg
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:58:32 +0100
> From: Calum Polwart
> Subject: Re: [Scribus] Scribus 1.3.3.2 on Fedora Core 5 - Build your
>  own RPM
>
> To: "scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de"
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> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 16:56 +0200, Sean Carlos wrote:
>
> > For users of Fedora Core 5, Scribus 1.3.3.2 can be packaged as an RPM,
> > facilitating later upgrades. I've documented the process that "works
> > for me" here:
> >
> > http://www.antezeta.com/linux/scribus.html
> >
> > I cannot yet vouch for 1.3.3.2 usage and stability on FC 5; I did
> > successfully use 1.3.3.1 on FC 5.
> >
>
> Perhaps I have missed something? How does packaging as an RPM help
> upgrades unless they are coming packaged as an RPM also? In other words
> if yum etc can update it then that's great but you'll not get 1.3.3.2 on
> yum (or 1.3.3.3 which is what you really need if its an upgrade!) so
> when [if] 1.3.3.3 is released you'd still need to create your own RPM,
> in which case why not just compile it??
>
> I welcome your explanation - its probably that I still don't understand
> RPMs etc like I should..
>
> Calum
>
> > Sean Carlos
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:17:49 -0600
> From: Marc de Banville
> Subject: Re: [Scribus] Maintaining text with scribus
>
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
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> Greg,
>
> Workflow? OK, I can identify errors out of Scribus and correct them in
> there, but you can recognize this is not the ideal way. It would be
> better to get the text corrected inside the story editor with a spell
> checker. But another solution that I used, especially for translation
> purposes, was to export all the texts (in individual .text files) and
> then import the translated text into scribus. Translaters work better
> with text files.
>
> Encoding? Yes it is an encoding problem, but not the encoding of the
> framelist.py script itself. What is at stake is the correct encoding
> relation between the original scribus text and the resulting .txt file.
> There should be a function in some library used by the story editor, but
> which one?
>
> Frames linked . You are right. framelist.py repeats the whole text on
> each linked frame loation, which can be quite a lot with a book.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:22:45 -0600
> From: "D. R. Evans"
> Subject: [Scribus] Q; Why does import from Inkscape/SVG look so
>  different in Scribus?
>
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
> Message-ID: <448DB0F5.4020303 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I created a title page (i.e., a single, simple page) for a 6"x9" book using
> Inkscape. If anyone cares, I've put it at:
>  http://www.ipfonix.com/tmp/title-page.svg
>
> So I have a very simple question: when I "Import" this into a 6" x 9"
> Scribus document, it looks completely different than the way it looks when
> I view it in Inkscape:
>
> 1. I can't see the text or the pistol on the screen, just what appear to be
> bounding boxes for the text.
>
> 2. When I print it, the pistol does not print.
>
> 3. When I print it, there is a dotted line going from northwest to
> southeast in the southeast quadrant.
>
> 4. When I print it, the name is split over two lines, even though in the
> original SVG it is all on one line.
>
> This is my first time of using both Inkscape and Scribus. Obviously, I'm
> doing something majorly wrong, but I don't know what :-(
>
>  Doc Evans
>
> PS I figured that doing the title page would be simple, and then I could
> move to building a full-colour cover. Obviously, I have much more to learn
> than I thought I did :-)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:28:57 -0400
> From: jrm at kw.igs.net
> Subject: [Scribus] GSView under Debian
> To: "Scribus mailing list"
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>
> Hi. If I am off-topic here (i.e, if there is a better
> way to reach people interested in GSView on Debian than
> by this list), then I hope someone will politely let me
> know....
>
> Are others successfully using GSView under Debian?
>
> I'm using it, but with problems. I got it by putting an RPM
> file through Alien, and am using GhostScript libraries that
> I've generated from the gs-afpl sources.
>
> The major further hurdle is font management -- I haven't
> sorted out the right way to register GSView with the Debian
> font management programs, so my GSView is not finding out
> about new fonts as I install them, and for some reason my
> GSView doesn't act very nicely when it doesn't have needed fonts.
>
> There is also the minor issue of arranging that GSView show
> up properly in Debian and KDE menus. (Being from an RPM, maybe
> it does show up in Gnome menus, I wouldn't know.)
>
> Is there any hope that debian.scribus.net could have packages
> for libgs (which would be a virtual package provided by
> libgs-afpl and libgs-gpl) and for gsview?
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> John (MacPhail)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:13:16 -0400
> From: Gregory Pittman
> Subject: Re: [Scribus] Q; Why does import from Inkscape/SVG look so
>  different in Scribus?
>
> To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
> Message-ID: <448DCADC.9050008 at iglou.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> D. R. Evans wrote:
> > I created a title page (i.e., a single, simple page) for a 6"x9" book
> using
> > Inkscape. If anyone cares, I've put it at:
> > http://www.ipfonix.com/tmp/title-page.svg
> >
> Importing SVGs remains a bit of a work-in-progress, with various
> features not or poorly implemented. What Scribus version are you using?
> > So I have a very simple question: when I "Import" this into a 6" x 9"
> > Scribus document, it looks completely different than the way it looks when
> > I view it in Inkscape:
> >
> > 1. I can't see the text or the pistol on the screen, just what appear to
> be
> > bounding boxes for the text.
> >
> I saved then imported your svg to Scribus 1.3.3.2, and saw the pistol
> and printed it OK, but it was displaced all the way to the right.
> Perhaps yours is completely outside the bounding box for the SVG, or
> hiding behind one of the other frames.
> The text cannot be seen because it's too big for the size of its frame.
> Enlarging each frame will allow them to appear. If you can, it's
> recommended that you insert text features in Scribus, rather than
> putting them in the SVG -- you will get better results anyway. You will
> need to Ungroup the SVG, in fact I had to ungroup multiple times to
> eventually get them broken up.
> > 2. When I print it, the pistol does not print.
> >
> > 3. When I print it, there is a dotted line going from northwest to
> > southeast in the southeast quadrant.
> >
> > 4. When I print it, the name is split over two lines, even though in the
> > original SVG it is all on one line.
> >
> Same as above - enlarge the frame.
> > This is my first time of using both Inkscape and Scribus. Obviously, I'm
> > doing something majorly wrong, but I don't know what :-(
> >
> Chances are you'll get there. You've just happened pick a weak spot in
> Scribus as your starting point.
>
>
> Greg
>
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