<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div> </div>
<div>
<div>Hi Silvain,</div>
<div><br/>
Thank you! This is exactly the kind of feedback I need. I've added Lao to the list. Are you also capable of helping with the correct selection of the sample text for other SEA languages?</div>
<div><br/>
I also have second thoughts about my choice regarding Cyrillic. I wanted to avoid Russian for the same reason that I avoided Latin, simply because it provides a basis from which other languages created their own and potentially more complex derivatives. The Bulgarian alphabet, for instance, has been reduced to the Russian version, probably due to Soviet influence. On the other hand, Mongolian seems to be using the Ukrainian version of Cyrillic, so it doesn't make sense to use Ukrainian and Mongolian side-by-side. It'd probably be better to use a sample of Serbian Cyrillic instead.</div>
<div><br/>
Christoph</div>
<div>
<div name="quote" style="margin:10px 5px 5px 10px; padding: 10px 0 10px 10px; border-left:2px solid #C3D9E5; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">
<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 15. März 2022 um 17:17 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Silvain Dupertuis" <silvain-dupertuis@bluewin.ch><br/>
<b>An:</b> "Christoph Schäfer" <christoph-schaefer@gmx.de><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [scribus] Compex script samples (screenshots) for the new website</div>
<div name="quoted-content">
<div style="max-width: 720.0px;">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">
<p>Hello everyone,</p>
<p>As you are working on multi language feature, I take the opportunity to raise one point... on a South-East Asian language, Lao.</p>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">
<p>I am using Scribus for multilingual documents including this language, which uses its own script (which was derived from Thai script). Its special features is that it uses superscript characters on two levels and subscripts characters on one level, and it does not separate words with a space (like Thai and Khmer scripts).</p>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">
<p>Syllable or word breaks can be solved by using ZWSP (Zero-Width-SPace) Unicode character as a separator, and anyhow the present version of Scribus seems to be able to recognize word breaks programmatically (through the OpenType features, as far as I understand).</p>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">
<p><b>Superscript characters need to be contextually positioned</b>. Presently (using Scribus 1.5.7 or 1.5.8), it works well with the standard Saysettha OT or Phetsarath OT fonts (the most common in Laos), but not with the new and recent version of Saysettha with newer OpenType features and enriched in terms of stroke width. The <b>contextual positioning is not recognized in this new font</b>.</p>
<p>I need to get more details from <a href="https://laoscript.net/" target="_blank">my friend who worked on the fonts</a> about the details of the OpenType features which are not recognized.</p>
Or would there be a special setup to get them work properly?</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">
<p>Illustration :</p>
<p>As you can observe even if you to not know this script, on the second line, which uses the new font, the signs on top are all wrongly positioned...</p>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><img alt="" src="cid:part1.iKz0R6R2.fEn2FvwJ@bluewin.ch"/></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sincerely</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Silvain</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> </div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 15.03.22 à 01:03, Christoph Schäfer a écrit :</div>
<blockquote>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre">Hi all,
We're preparing a relaunch of the Scribus website. I've already created a sample PDF file with several scripting systems which, I think, are representative of the power of Scribus's new text layout engine.
Since the Scribus development is mostly happening in Europe, I went somehow around the clock in geographical terms and alphabetical for the respective languages. In practical this means that I've currently covered the following writing systems:
I. Cyrillic
- Ukrainian
- Mongolian (Halh)
II. West Asian
- Armenian
- Georgian
II. South Asian
- Bengali
- Hindi
III. South East Asian
- Khmer
- Thai
IV. East Asian
- Chinese (Mandarin)
- Japanese
- Korean
V. Middle East
- Arabic/Farsi
- Hebrew
The text is always the same, namely the beginning of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. However, since I can only read old and contemporary Latin-based scripts, as well as Cyrillic and a little bit of Greek, I'd need your help to prepare the screenshots. I think we need competent native speakers/writers to streamline the sample. Personally, I'd prefer to use only Article 1: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." The Preamble would be too long, and I don't mind the protests of ideologues who don't understand the spirit of this monumental document. What's important, though, is that we get the right section and that the typography is correct.
I'll also create samples for Latin-based Scripts with all the new typography features. If there are any experts for Cyrillic and Greek typography out there, please feel free to help out with screenshots (JPEG or PNG) or hints. If I missed an important scripting system, please let me know.
Christoph
___
Scribus Mailing List: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:scribus@lists.scribus.net" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:scribus@lists.scribus.net'; return false;" target="_blank">scribus@lists.scribus.net</a>
Edit your options or unsubscribe:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus" target="_blank">http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus</a>
See also:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.scribus.net" target="_blank">http://wiki.scribus.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://forums.scribus.net" target="_blank">http://forums.scribus.net</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<div class="moz-signature">--<br/>
Silvain Dupertuis<br/>
Route de Lausanne 335<br/>
1293 Bellevue (Switzerland)<br/>
tél. +41-(0)22-774.20.67<br/>
portable +41-(0)79-604.87.52<br/>
web: <a href="https://perso.silvain-dupertuis.org" target="_blank">silvain-dupertuis.org</a></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div></div></body></html>